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hayley3

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I’m looking for some advice on behalf of a friend.

They’ve been travelling between Raynes Park and London Waterloo for an internship, but only bought tickets from Clapham Junction to London Waterloo instead of covering the full journey.


This happened on 20 occasions over the past 2 week. They were stopped at Waterloo after staff noticed they hadn’t scanned a QR code at Clapham Junction. Their details were taken, and they were told the matter would be looked into.

They are very worried about what the outcome could be of this? Is there anyway to avoid court and criminal charge, is that even likely.
 
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I’m looking for some advice on behalf of a friend.

They’ve been travelling between Raynes Park and London Waterloo for an internship, but only bought tickets from Clapham Junction to London Waterloo instead of covering the full journey.


This happened on 20 occasions over the past 2 week. They were stopped at Waterloo after staff noticed they hadn’t scanned a QR code at Clapham Junction. Their details were taken, and they were told the matter would be looked into.

They are very worried about what the outcome could be of this? Is there anyway to avoid court and criminal charge, is that even likely.
Welcome.
They need to know what they have been doing is a criminal office and the railways take thousands of people to court for this - that results in a court fine, and a criminal record.
Barriers at places like Waterloo are set up to check tickets from places like Clapham Jct and Vauxhall and flag them to staff as it's well known and obvious fare evasion.

Having said that a criminal prosecution can be avoided by following advice on this thread - below is the general advice often given which sets out what to expect and how to try and deal with it to aim to avoid court.

Your friend needs to know that SWR will trawl the digital records of this activity, find the evidence of it and seek payment for the correct fares for all the travel evaded.

One thing your friend could do is invest in a season ticket or flexi season ticket NOW, if it makes financial sense to do so, to legitimately reduce their travel costs - this will be something they can then show to SWR that they have actively done to change their ways

Here's the general advice to look over it sets out what to expect and what to do in due course - it's vital to receive and respond to their communications if court is to be avoided (otherwise it just happens automatically):

Firstly, you committed a criminal offence by travelling with an invalid ticket and railway companies are entitled to prosecute you in the Magistrates Court if they want to. The good news is they will normally offer an out of court settlement to people who co-operate with them and who haven't come to their attention before.

Next, what happens is the railway company will write to you. The letter will go to the address that you gave them / on any of your ID they checked so you need to be able to access hard copy post at that address as they often send things that way (but also check e-mail and spam). It is extremely important that you reply, and you'll only have a limited time to do so (often 14 days from the date on their communication).

When you receive the letter post a redacted copy of it in this thread, along with your draft reply and forum members will proof read it for you. You'll find lots of example letters you can use in this section of the forum but the reply basically needs to mention:

- That you are sorry for what has happened
- What you have learned from the incident and will not do this again
- That you are keen to settle the matter without the need for court action
- Offer to pay the outstanding fare and the railway company’s administrative costs in dealing with the matter


The railway will probably offer you an out of court settlement. Expect to have to pay the cost of the fare for the journey you made at the full Anytime rate with no credit given for the invalid ticket you purchased. In addition they will charge an admin fee, typically £150. They will also audit your online ticket purchase history and if this shows you've purchased other tickets that were not valid (eg railcard discounted tickets when you did not have a valid railcard, or tickets for only part of the journey, or tickets bought after boarding the train you travelled on ) they will probably factor the cost of these journeys into the settlement offer. Depending on how many journeys you've made over the period concerned this could end up being expensive.

Settlements usually have to be paid in full within a few days of them being offered so if money is tight you might want to think about how you will raise the sum required at short notice.
 

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Were you given any paperwork when stopped? What will happen is the company will investigate your prior 6 years of booking/scan history to detect any other offending (including by other train companies).

They will then usually settle out of court for the fares avoided plus an administration fee. The advice given by @WesternLancer is pretty standard and what you can expect to.happen.
 

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An Anytime Day Single from Raynes Park, if just to Clapham Junction, is £5.00. Then another £5.00 for the return journey. So, reckon the OP's "friend" is looking at having to stump up at least £100 in unpaid fares over a two week period, and, on top, at least the same again (maybe more) in admin and investigation fees.
 

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Thanks for responses. I’ve gotten some of the details wrong, just spoken to my friend it was actually a ticket bought between London Bridge and Waterloo east and friend travelled from Epsom. This was not their normal route but still has past of short faring between either Epsom or Raynes Park and them London - maybe 30 instances over last few years. Also used wrong railcard 16-17 on this occasion but does have valid 16-25 card - this was an accident.

They were stopped at barriers of Waterloo east, unsure if this was TfL swr? Does this make a difference. They took down their details, and scanned qr code of invalid ticket. Was asked if they look at account would they see others to which they replied not many
 

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Also used wrong railcard 16-17 on this occasion but does have valid 16-25 card - this was an accident.
With all respect, this being an "accident" alongside the purposeful fare evasion is not going to be believed.

They were stopped at barriers of Waterloo east, unsure if this was TfL swr? Does this make a difference.
It will almost certainly be Southeastern in this case.

Your friend (or you) can't do anything more until they get a letter from Southeastern, except for buying the correct tickets from now on.
 

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I’m looking for some advice on behalf of a friend.

They’ve been travelling between Raynes Park and London Waterloo for an internship, but only bought tickets from Clapham Junction to London Waterloo instead of covering the full journey.


This happened on 20 occasions over the past 2 week. They were stopped at Waterloo after staff noticed they hadn’t scanned a QR code at Clapham Junction. Their details were taken, and they were told the matter would be looked into.

They are very worried about what the outcome could be of this? Is there anyway to avoid court and criminal charge, is that even likely.
One thing your friend could do is invest in a season ticket or flexi season ticket NOW, if it makes financial sense to do so, to legitimately reduce their travel costs - this will be something they can then show to SWR that they have actively done to change their ways
I'd agree with the bit about looking at season tickets: if they really have made the journey 20 times in the last 2 weeks that's more than once a day and a season ticket of some sort is almost certain to be cheaper than buying individual tickets.

Even if it's a typo, or what you mean is 10 journeys to Waterloo and 10 journeys back (so that would be Monday to Friday for 2 weeks) a season ticket may well be worth it. Or depending on their age, if they're 30 or less there may be useful railcards: in particular if they're in the age bracket to get a 16-25 railcard then for July and August that can be used to buy cheap tickets even in the morning rush hour.

Have a look at https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/tickets-railcards-and-offers/ticket-types/season-ticket-calculator/ to see how much a railcard might cost and https://www.railcard.co.uk/ to look at the various railcard options.
 

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It was 20 single tickets across two weeks so back and forward and then just random instances of evasion across last few years. They know they are an idiot, young and naive but very much willing to pay the cost for what they did. They do actually have a 16-25 railcard but season ticket would be a shout thank you.

It was actually someone in a purple uniform I have no more details than that, is that TfL or southeastern. I wasn’t getting any hits on google but equally wasn’t there just replying on behalf whilst they are at work
 

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The best way to tell what company it is is from the journey undertaken. For example, if your friend was travelling from Tonbridge (random example) to Waterloo East then that would be Southeastern. From Guilford (random example) to Waterloo main that would be South Western Railway.

If they've purchaed 16-17 saver tickets but hold a 16-25 railcard, then that is another offence as the discount from the 16-17 is greater, so this is another thing which they could be in trouble for. However, it might not make much difference, as they would likely have to pay the anytime single fare for every journey, with no railcard discount and no regard for any incorrect fares already paid.

However, the important detail is whether this was SWR or SE. SWR almost always agree to settle out of court, and are sometimes fairly quick to send the initial letter. SE fare evasion department is in chaos so the chance of any further action is very little. TfL are almost certain to prosecute unless a solicitor is involved. So it is important we work out which it is.

What I don't understand is why travelling from Epsom (SWR/Southern) into Waterloo you would buy a short fare from London Bridge into Waterloo East? Surely this would not work on the barriers at Waterloo - it's a seperate gateline isn't it?
 

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What I don't understand is why travelling from Epsom (SWR/Southern) into Waterloo you would buy a short fare from London Bridge into Waterloo East? Surely this would not work on the barriers at Waterloo - it's a seperate gateline isn't it?
Tickets to Waterloo and Waterloo East are usually sold as fares to ‘London Terminals’. I expect they might work at either part of the station, due to the limitations of gateline software.
 

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Ok it’s confirmed southeastern. do they offer settlement? Does all the same advice apply? Thanks again

Not sure regarding the route, office is nearer the side of Waterloo east I believe?
 

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It was 20 single tickets across two weeks so back and forward and then just random instances of evasion across last few years. They know they are an idiot, young and naive but very much willing to pay the cost for what they did. They do actually have a 16-25 railcard but season ticket would be a shout thank you.

It was actually someone in a purple uniform I have no more details than that, is that TfL or southeastern. I wasn’t getting any hits on google but equally wasn’t there just replying on behalf whilst they are at work
If they were given any paperwork like a slip after being stopped that will say which company is going to investigate them. If they have any paperwork they should keep it safe (take a picture so they have a copy). It could be some weeks before they hear further - eg 6-8 weeks

If it is TfL it's bad news. Prosecution is the default position for TfL. If a train operator then prosecution can usually be avoided

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Thanks for responses. I’ve gotten some of the details wrong, just spoken to my friend it was actually a ticket bought between London Bridge and Waterloo east and friend travelled from Epsom. This was not their normal route but still has past of short faring between either Epsom or Raynes Park and them London - maybe 30 instances over last few years. Also used wrong railcard 16-17 on this occasion but does have valid 16-25 card - this was an accident.

They were stopped at barriers of Waterloo east, unsure if this was TfL swr? Does this make a difference. They took down their details, and scanned qr code of invalid ticket. Was asked if they look at account would they see others to which they replied not many
so long as it's not TfL the general advice given above still stands - it just might cost more to settle if the evasion that they might find costs more to settle if the fares evaded were more.

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Ok it’s confirmed southeastern. do they offer settlement? Does all the same advice apply? Thanks again

Not sure regarding the route, office is nearer the side of Waterloo east I believe?
same advice applies really. A settlement is still possible
 

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Ok it’s confirmed southeastern. do they offer settlement? Does all the same advice apply?
Southeastern prosecutions / fare evasion department as I said above is in chaos so your friend may well not hear from them at all.
 

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Southeastern prosecutions / fare evasion department as I said above is in chaos so your friend may well not hear from them at all.
I wouldn't bank on that.

Yes, they do tend to settle if you don't ignore them when they contact you.
 

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