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Incompetence and PF in Hungary

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neilmc

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Last week we were travelling from Tiszafured to Hajduszoboszlo changing in Debrecen, which is a fairly large town with a reasonable service to and from both places. All went well until the ticket inspector on the second train said that we had an incorrect ticket which was actually routed via Karcag, a slightly shorter and therefore cheaper route and we would have to pay the excess (a matter of pence) plus what in the UK would have been a Penalty Fare for being off-route. Now this was technically true but hardly our fault - as the Tiszafured-Karcag train was a litle unit which only ran twice a day and the next one was in about six hours time, we assumed that the ticket office would have sold us a ticket via Debrecen, so we merely checked the destination not the "small print" - after all we were hardly likely to sit on a station platform for six hours to save 10p!

So a penalty fare it was, and we would I believe have had reasonable cause for formal complaint - except that the state-run MAV clearly haven't been eating from the same trough as the moneygrabbing TOCs in the UK - the penalty fare amounted to 500HUF each, about £1.30, the kind of figure classed as a "supplement" to use express trains in HUngary, so we let it be.
 
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You shouldn't be issued a penalty fare in the UK for being off route, staff should always issue an excess (granted this doesn't always happen, but don't assume it's always the norm).

I can't speak for what happens in other countries but if they want to issue fines/penalty fares for being off route that's up to them. It's also worth mentioned that £1.30 may not seem like a lot to me or you but it may be considered a moderate punishment for a rail related offence in Hungary.
 
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OK but I thought this was exactly the situation Penalty Fares were designed for in the UK - where passengers had a "wrong" ticket but where there is clearly no fraudulent element.
 

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OK but I thought this was exactly the situation Penalty Fares were designed for in the UK - where passengers had a "wrong" ticket but where there is clearly no fraudulent element.

That is the intention, but being 'off-route' is a specific instance where a PF shouldn't be issued, but an excess should. I believe another is using a restricted ticket at an invalid time?
 

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So a penalty fare it was, and we would I believe have had reasonable cause for formal complaint - except that the state-run MAV clearly haven't been eating from the same trough as the moneygrabbing TOCs in the UK - the penalty fare amounted to 500HUF each, about £1.30, the kind of figure classed as a "supplement" to use express trains in HUngary, so we let it be.

I thought the penalty for ticketing offences in Hungary was 60,000HUF - at least that was what was on the big red posters when I was there earlier this year? Was it a proper penalty fare, or a "penalty fare" in the sense of the maximum charge for incorrect Oyster usage?
 

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are you sure you weren't asked to pay an on-board price? such exists or existed in a number of European countries and is typically a small supplement.
 

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I suppose it might have been a charge for having to issue a ticket on-board where we had boarded at a staffed station or something similar (my father wasn't quite clear), it was quite a bit more than the actual distance excess which was negligible but nothing like the fines you get on the Budapest metro/tram system for travelling without a validated ticket which were I think 16000 HUF. We did once board at an unstaffed station and didn't pay any more than the journey in the reverse direction for which we'd bought a ticket at the station.

The ticket inspectors were very hot and were always round within a couple of minutes of leaving a station.
 

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Allegedly, EU citizens over 65 travel (2nd class) for free in Hungary on MAV and in Budapest (BKK), just using a passport for identification and proof of age.
But the possibility of a HUF 16000 (c£50) fine made me buy an ordinary 24-hour BKK ticket rather than confront the inspectors last week.
Apparently over-70s can also now travel free on Prague transport (wave your passport), and there's a 90% discount in Slovakia.
Does this count as "benefit tourism"? :)

PS Will there be leaders in the Hungarian Daily Mail shouting that there are no seats on the Metro because they are all occupied by British pensioners travelling on free tickets?
 
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To paraphrase UKIP, there are 26 million people in Europe NOT looking for work because they're pensioners. And on whose rail network are they going to travel to their heart's content for nothing?
 

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PS Will there be leaders in the Hungarian Daily Mail shouting that there are no seats on the Metro because they are all occupied by British pensioners travelling on free tickets?
It depends - is this concession reciprocated for Hungarian senior citizens travelling in Britain?
 
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