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Incident near Harling Road 10/4

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What's with the focus on "large and slow" vehicles and needing to phone first?

It's academic.

The RAIB says that the tractor driver had permission to cross.
 
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As he had permission to cross for all we know he could have take a phone call and then crossed 5 minutes later! I would presume if you have been given permission to cross you should cross straight away.
 

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The only logical conclusion is that something somewhere in the process went wrong. Exactly what that was, and who (if anyone) was responsible will presumably come out in the full report.
 

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My source informs me that a similar incident occurred at Wymondham just a few weeks prior, whereby the same signal box, (Thetford panel), incorrectly gave farm traffic permission to cross as an East Midlands Trains service was approaching at 75mph. Fortunately, it was just a "near miss" rather than a collision.
 

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All I know is that when our MSL-EUWCs were signed out of use, that our H&S and Union reps at both local and area level were quite instistant in the method or working to be put in place until the crossings were either fixed or replaced. This method of working is a such that it reduces the risk the signaller is placed under when working these crossings in prolonged degraded working.

What the method of working was at this location and whether it was adhered to will come out in time when the investigation is finished. All the rest is just speculation and crystal ball searching with a good mix of the hindsight tool.
 

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My source informs me that a similar incident occurred at Wymondham just a few weeks prior, whereby the same signal box, (Thetford panel), incorrectly gave farm traffic permission to cross as an East Midlands Trains service was approaching at 75mph. Fortunately, it was just a "near miss" rather than a collision.

Are the RAIB aware of this? Your source ought to disclose this to them, it may be relevant.
 

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The RAIB has published its report

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...a/file/599016/R042017_170314_Hockham_Road.pdf

It's clear that no blame attaches to the tractor driver.

Summary:

Summary

At 12:30 hrs on 10 April 2016 a passenger train travelling from Norwich to Cambridge collided with an agricultural tractor and trailer on a level crossing at Hockham Road, near Thetford in Norfolk. The train was travelling at 87 mph (140 km/h) when, on the approach to the crossing, the train driver saw a tractor moving closer to the railway tracks. The train driver sounded the train’s horn and applied the emergency brake, but could not stop before colliding with the tractor. The train did not derail, but its driving cab was damaged, and the driver and four passengers suffered minor injuries. The tractor was destroyed, and its driver was seriously injured.

The level crossing at Hockham Road is on a restricted byway, and has gates which are operated by crossing users. About one minute before the collision, the tractor driver had obtained permission to cross from a signaller at the Network Rail signal box at Cambridge. The signaller had given him permission to cross when there was insufficient time before the train would arrive at the crossing. This was because the signaller had lost his awareness of the position of the train because his levels of concentration may have lapsed, and his competence to operate the workstation safely and effectively had not been adequately monitored.

A system that had been installed at the level crossing in 2012, intended to display green or red lights to crossing users to warn them whether or not it was safe to cross, was not working at the time of the accident. It had been decommissioned by Network Rail following concerns which the company had about the safety integrity of the system. This had meant that users had to telephone the signaller for permission to cross. The RAIB found that Network Rail had not come to a clear understanding with the manufacturer of the system about how the equipment met the required safety integrity level, and having assessed the risks, had decided to turn off the system while improvements were made.

An underlying factor was that the arrangements in Cambridge signal box for managing fatigue among signalling staff were inadequate.

Recommendations

The RAIB has made three recommendations to Network Rail. The first concerns Network Rail’s approach to managing user worked level crossings, with the intention of either eliminating the need for a signaller to have to decide whether it is safe for a user to cross the railway or providing better information for signallers when making these decisions. The second relates to the processes that Network Rail uses when introducing new signalling equipment whose operating interface differs significantly from existing equipment, and the third covers the management of the competence of signalling shift managers when they also operate signalling equipment.

Simon French, Chief Inspector of Rail Accidents said:
In recent years, the RAIB has become concerned about signaller error as a cause of accidents at level crossings where it is always necessary for vehicle drivers to telephone the signaller for permission to cross (ie user worked crossings with telephones). In addition to our investigation of the collision between a train and tractor at Hockham Road, 2016 saw the opening of two other investigations into dangerous occurrences of this type. In both cases people were given permission to cross the railway with vehicles when trains were too close for this to be done safely.

Communicating with level crossing users will be one of many duties carried out by a signaller. In an environment where signalling control areas are becoming larger, and the number of crossings overseen by an individual signaller may often increase, it is important that the railway industry considers carefully the measures required to control the risk of signaller error leading to collision. Giving permission for users to cross the railway will often require signallers to carefully check the location of trains and estimate the time available for users to cross in safety. Although the reliability of such decisions is likely to be improved if signallers are provided with better information, it would be preferable to see, over the longer term, the progressive removal of crossings where the only form of protection is the telephone.

We are recommending that Network Rail should undertake a review of its measures for the protection of such crossings with the objective of reducing the risk of signaller error.
 
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One underlying cause is cost-cutting by NR not filling positions and relying on overtime being worked. Luckily this time nobody was killed.
 

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Everything falls at NR's door.

Given the difficulty with determining seriousness or the lack thereof in online discussions, may I just clarify as to whether you feel that NR have been unfairly blamed, or whether you agree with the RAIB report, please?
 

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Given the difficulty with determining seriousness or the lack thereof in online discussions, may I just clarify as to whether you feel that NR have been unfairly blamed, or whether you agree with the RAIB report, please?

I was the guard on that train, I very much agree with the report. Although paragraph 34 really concerns me after that day;

At 12:30:40 hrs the driver of train 1K77 pressed the Global System for Mobile Communications - Railway (GSMR) Railway Emergency Call (REC) button in the train cab, twice. The button illuminated but appeared to be damaged. The driver did not believe the radio communication had reached the signaller and so he used the guard’s mobile telephone to report the accident to Cambridge PSB, and asked for all trains to be stopped. The signaller, who had momentarily left the Thetford workstation to wash his hands, heard the REC and he and a colleague went to answer the call, which cut off with no message being passed.

It shocks me not only can the base station in a signalbox drop a REC call with no human input but also that the report totally ignores it from then on. Its as if GSM-R is the key to lots of DfT money saving schemes and flaws in it must be buried... :roll: <(
 

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I was the guard on that train, I very much agree with the report. Although paragraph 34 really concerns me after that day;



It shocks me not only can the base station in a signalbox drop a REC call with no human input but also that the report totally ignores it from then on. Its as if GSM-R is the key to lots of DfT money saving schemes and flaws in it must be buried... :roll: <(

Sorry to have asked - are you OK post-crash?
 

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It shocks me not only can the base station in a signalbox drop a REC call with no human input but also that the report totally ignores it from then on. Its as if GSM-R is the key to lots of DfT money saving schemes and flaws in it must be buried... :roll: <(

I'm glad I'm not the only one to have noticed this pattern :(
 

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The report says the GSM-R unit in the cab appeared to be damaged, and looking at the pictures of the cab front and control desk stove in that seems very credible. Alteratively the antenna on the roof or the cable linking the two or the power supply could have been damaged. That may be an explanation for the failure of the emergency call. Does anyone know if the GSM-R was serviceable after the crash? It would have been beneficial for the report to comment on this.
 

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Would there not be a GSMR set in both cabs? Also is there more than one antenna if one is damaged.?
 

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Would there not be a GSMR set in both cabs? Also is there more than one antenna if one is damaged.?

Most likely, but even if there was a fully functioning second GSMR set in the rear cab, it'd probably still have been quicker to contact the signaller by mobile than going to the rear cab and setting up the radio. The SouthEastern incident also comes to mind, I can't remember if the rear cabs had non-functioning GSMR because the unit had come off of the third rail, or if the circuit breaker that had operated was for the entire unit.
 

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No, GSM-R was not working. I was rather hoping the report would investigate that but again, seems like the golden cow must not be touched.

Although after thinking about it I guess from the point of view of the RAIB investigating this particular incident its an irrelevance as contact was successfully made with the signalman via my mobile.
 

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No, GSM-R was not working. I was rather hoping the report would investigate that but again, seems like the golden cow must not be touched.

Although after thinking about it I guess from the point of view of the RAIB investigating this particular incident its an irrelevance as contact was successfully made with the signalman via my mobile.

I would have hoped that RAIB would have at least made an 'observation'.

'An ‘observation’ is a safety issue discovered as part of the investigation that is not considered to be causal or underlying to the event being investigated, but does deserve scrutiny because of a perceived potential for safety learning.'

If for any reason your mobile could not have made that call then it is between possible and probable that there would have been delay in making contact with the signalman. To have not made an 'oberservation' would seem to indicate a tacit acceptance that GSM-R may not always work.
 
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He wanted 1 minute to cross, the train was 64 seconds away, should have been a 'near miss' not good granted, now, had he said "I need 3 mins to cross", would that have made the Signaller think a bit more ?
 

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He wanted 1 minute to cross, the train was 64 seconds away, should have been a 'near miss' not good granted, now, had he said "I need 3 mins to cross", would that have made the Signaller think a bit more ?

But we don't know whether that was 1 minute plus the time it takes to open both sets of gates - the report makes it clear that it should be (but not necessarily was) the responsibility of the signaller to ascertain this information.

I've never had occasion to use a telephone at a level crossing, but if I did I almost certainly wouldn't think to include the time between concluding the phonecall and starting my vehicle. The report is not specific, but I think it is a fair assumption that the gates opened away from the railway and the tractor was parked outside their arc. Even if the gates on both sides were already open, I strongly suspect that it would take me more than four seconds to put down a phone, walk to and climb into a tractor, sit on the seat, close the tractor door and start moving (disclaimer: I have never driven a tractor and it's been about 25 years since I was last in one).

Three minutes may have been a more realistic estimate, but the signaller should add a margin of safety. That they didn't is their immediate responsibility but it seems that both the training and procedures he was given we not fit for purpose in this regard so they cannot be held singularly responsible.
 

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But we don't know whether that was 1 minute plus the time it takes to open both sets of gates - the report makes it clear that it should be (but not necessarily was) the responsibility of the signaller to ascertain this information.

I've never had occasion to use a telephone at a level crossing, but if I did I almost certainly wouldn't think to include the time between concluding the phonecall and starting my vehicle. The report is not specific, but I think it is a fair assumption that the gates opened away from the railway and the tractor was parked outside their arc. Even if the gates on both sides were already open, I strongly suspect that it would take me more than four seconds to put down a phone, walk to and climb into a tractor, sit on the seat, close the tractor door and start moving (disclaimer: I have never driven a tractor and it's been about 25 years since I was last in one).

Three minutes may have been a more realistic estimate, but the signaller should add a margin of safety. That they didn't is their immediate responsibility but it seems that both the training and procedures he was given we not fit for purpose in this regard so they cannot be held singularly responsible.


That is very true, but the onus is also on the user to give a reasonable time to the Signaller that he needs, it is as much his responsibilty as the Signaller.
Of course users also know that if they quote a longer time to cross, for example 3 or 4 mins, they stand a bigger chance of being refused, and having to wait longer.
We now have rigid instructions stating which signal the train must not have passed before we can give permission to cross, sometimes users now have to wait up to 5 or 6 mins to get permission, many don't bother to wait tho
 

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He wanted 1 minute to cross, the train was 64 seconds away, should have been a 'near miss' not good granted, now, had he said "I need 3 mins to cross", would that have made the Signaller think a bit more ?

Exactly!
The number of times I have heard "I'll only be a minute" from the user, but don't get the ring-back until 5 or 6 minutes later. I'm afraid I took their perception of time with a very large pinch of salt, so allowed extra time.
Tough sunshine, but you're the one who may end up dead if it goes wrong!
(And yes, I have said that to a user!!)
 

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He wanted 1 minute to cross, the train was 64 seconds away, should have been a 'near miss' not good granted, now, had he said "I need 3 mins to cross", would that have made the Signaller think a bit more ?

No, sorry.

Page 30 shows the screens as seen by the signalman while taking the call. In both views 1K77 is shown as just at Harling Road.

Had the bloke looked at the screens properly then he would not have let a tractor cross in front of a train barely one minute away.
 

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The driver of the train involved in this incident has been nominated for an internal award.

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/hero_train_driver_s_award_nomination_for_putting_others_safety_above_his_own_after_level_crossing_collision_near_thetford_1_4940910

A train driver who was hailed a hero for putting the safety of his passengers above his own in a collision with a tractor at a level crossing has been nominated for an award.
Stuart Connell was driving the 12.03pm Norwich to Cambridge Abellio Greater Anglia service when it collided with a tractor and trailer on the Hockham Road level crossing near Thetford on April 10, 2016.
Mr Connell kept his hand firmly down on the warning horn, even at the point of impact - which resulted in him sustaining a nasty injury to his hand.
His actions have led him to be nominated for Employee of the Year at the Abellio Achievement Awards, which highlight the individuals and teams from across Abellio’s operating companies - comprising almost 13,000 employees - who deserve special recognition.
The winners will be announced at an awards ceremony on Thursday, March 23.
 

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He wanted 1 minute to cross, the train was 64 seconds away, should have been a 'near miss' not good granted, now, had he said "I need 3 mins to cross", would that have made the Signaller think a bit more ?

What are the uncertainties around those timings?

There will be uncertainties. If someone claims to require 60 seconds to cross a rail line, that represents a best estimate, not absolute guarantee. You could possibly add +/- 10 seconds to get the real crossing time. Therefore allowing someone to cross with only a four second margin of error, which is likely well within the crossing time uncertainty, sounds careless to me, and I would be very surprised if that was NR policy.
 

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60 seconds to actually cross the line may well have been accurate, but what about the time to open the gate, cross the line, open far gate and recross the line? Did the signalman take that into account?
 

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What are the uncertainties around those timings?

There will be uncertainties. If someone claims to require 60 seconds to cross a rail line, that represents a best estimate, not absolute guarantee. You could possibly add +/- 10 seconds to get the real crossing time. Therefore allowing someone to cross with only a four second margin of error, which is likely well within the crossing time uncertainty, sounds careless to me, and I would be very surprised if that was NR policy.
There's no specific policy that I was ever aware of. Quite apart from the uncertainty in the user's estimate of the time required, the Signalman wouldn't be able to calculate how long it'd take for the train to reach the crossing with anything like that degree of accuracy, partly because the exact position of the train is rarely known - especially with relatively long signal sections (as here).

My "margin of error" was measured in minutes, not seconds. I'd certainly want a good two or three minutes on top of their estimate. Anything bigger than a car (possibly plus trailer) or van, I'd treat it as a large vehicle (which, in the signalling regs, required a signal kept at danger between the train and the crossing to provide extra protection) - no formal guidance was given as to what constituted a large vehicle, and I had no desire to have to subsequently grip the brass rail and justify why I didn't treat a combine harvester as a large vehicle. It certainly removed much of the risk of this sort of misjudgment too!
 

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60 seconds to actually cross the line may well have been accurate, but what about the time to open the gate, cross the line, open far gate and recross the line? Did the signalman take that into account?

Its immaterial if the signalman took it into account. 1K77 was 63 seconds travel time from the crossing when the call was completed (and shown as such on the signallers display), the signaler should not have given the tractor permission to cross.
 
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