I'm doomed.....

[carlejo]

.... if I get through to assesment stage

I've gone really slow on the GB test to try and cut down on omissions and I'm getting 142.

I've tried this test 7 times on the trot, getting better, but that can't be good, surely.

Cheers
Carlejo

 

[FlamTap]

... I've gone really slow on the GB test to try and cut down on omissions and I'm getting 142...

142 omissions - that sounds like an awful lot? Are you sure you know the mechanics of the test? With the GBT you should only mark groups of four dots, on the SCAAT each section is described prior to the test.

 

[carlejo]

yep, 4 dots..... maybe my eyes are playing up....

at one point I went so slow it was unbelievable, i couldn't have missed that many, surely ?

 

[FlamTap]

yep, 4 dots..... maybe my eyes are playing up....

at one point I went so slow it was unbelievable, i couldn't have missed that many, surely ?

Certainly sounds strange! Perhaps try the sheets in a different colour - there is a setting in the program to change that. Also, after the test click on the "save stats" button - which will save out a .TXT file of statistics. You can then load this file into Notepad (for example) and cut 'n' paste its content on to this forum. Might provide some clues!

Actually, the program will provide additional statistics for each page in graph form as well as the actual dot pages you did with your errors marked in red. Might be worth grabbing a screenshot and posting that on here too.

 

[carlejo]

just tried again

933 cells completed

188 omissions, that can't be right ???

 

[FlamTap]

Doesn't sound right!

Here's an example of a page full of errors!

 

[FlamTap]

just tried again

933 cells completed

188 omissions, that can't be right ???

Just a thought - you are *actually* marking the cells aren't you? Press UP ARROW to toggle a marker on a cell. It will then be flagged by a dotted red box. If you are pressing any other key to "mark" a cell the program won't mark it and it will count as an omission.

 

[carlejo]

here's the result

 

[carlejo]

aaahhhhh, I was pressing space bar!!!

 

[FlamTap]

here's the result

Certainly looks like you're not actually marking anything!
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---

aaahhhhh, I was pressing space bar!!!

Hahah - OK - problem solved!

 

[daddy_badger]

Yes pressing the up arrow helps, if not try printing out the sheets

 

[carlejo]

1st proper result

 

[carlejo]

Thanks Flamtrap, you're a star............. I can breathe a bit easier now:roll:

 

[FlamTap]

Thanks Flamtrap, you're a star............. I can breathe a bit easier now:roll:

You're welcome!

Now it's just a matter of practice, practice and more practice. Don't worry about speed initially, as that will come. Concentrate on accuracy and consistency first. The amount of cells you cover on each sheet should be consistent. Doing, say, eight rows on sheet one then five rows on sheet two then twelve on sheet three and so on is generally not a good idea! Keep a steady, consistent pace.

Might be worth printing a few sheets and practicing those too, as some TOCs use the paper version of the GBT.

 

[carlejo]

Cheers matey..... Just waiting for contact now from ATW

 

[TDK]

I just did a one off test to see if I still have it, of course I have no need to do it and this was my first result:

No practice by the way and this is the first time I have done this in 13 years

Perception & Attention:

Targets Omitted ------------ 4
Marked Incorrect ----------- None


Speed:

Total Cells ---------------- 1106
Mean Cell Time ------------- 0.353
Median Cell Time ----------- 0.290

Completed Rows ------------- 43
Mean Row Time -------------- 8.832
Median Row Time ------------ 8.820


Vigilance:

Row Fluctuation ------------ 4.01

I wouldn't know if was a good attempt, feedback would be appreciated LOL: Oh by the way I wasn't rushing just concentrating on accuracy

 

[FlamTap]

... I wouldn't know if was a good attempt, feedback would be appreciated LOL: ...

Me neither! But for a first (a warm-up really!) go I'd say it's not too bad. It's surprising just how few goes it takes to see a marked improvement in both speed and accuracy.

I think the program has far more combinations of groups of four than the real test? Perhaps someone could confirm this? If so, then I guess you spend more time scanning/counting dots rather than simply recognising a shape/pattern. I note it seems to like the "Y" shape, with several variations of this shape used!

As the program has keys to allow for left and right-handed control I find using the "mark/un-mark" key with one hand and the "step right" key with the other helps me to get better results. Which is obviously unique to this program, and is probably of no use in the real test!

 

[TDK]

Me neither! But for a first (a warm-up really!) go I'd say it's not too bad. It's surprising just how few goes it takes to see a marked improvement in both speed and accuracy.

I think the program has far more combinations of groups of four than the real test? Perhaps someone could confirm this? If so, then I guess you spend more time scanning/counting dots rather than simply recognising a shape/pattern. I note it seems to like the "Y" shape, with several variations of this shape used!

As the program has keys to allow for left and right-handed control I find using the "mark/un-mark" key with one hand and the "step right" key with the other helps me to get better results.

It is a lot easier on paper than on the screen

 

[FlamTap]

It is a lot easier on paper than on the screen

But then there are idio... *cough* people who think the SCAAT is easier than the GBT! I guess it's all subjective!

 

[GB]

On paper (on the real test) you have the ability to go back and mark ones you have omitted where as the computer version (the practice one at least) you can only go back one square.

 

[daddy_badger]

I quite like scaat and yes find that easier and agree that it is far more easier for the gbt on paper

 

[Withnailandi]

The scaat is much harder than dots test.

 

[FlamTap]

On paper (on the real test) you have the ability to go back and mark ones you have omitted where as the computer version (the practice one at least) you can only go back one square.

I believe the official computerised version of the GBT only allows a step back of one "cell". Spot a group of four two steps back and it's too late! So, in this regard, the paper version is superior!

It would be tedious to calculate average row fluctuation and average cell speeds for the paper version, and I imagine this isn't done? Likewise, I imagine the computerised one would provide such information to the person collating the results?

I remember reading that the "sheets" on the official computerised test aren't timed? I imagine the overall ten-minutes still applies and you just keep plodding on until the time is up - with a new "sheet" appearing if/when the cursor reaches the last cell?

 

[Beveridges]

The scaat is much harder than dots test.

A lot harder - It is so hard to pre-condition yourself to the SCAAT test due to the fact that every run is different due to variable symbols.

Every run through the Group Boredom is the same, looking for 4-Dots,which makes it easier to practice and get better at it due to the repetetive, motonous nature of this test. This is provided you don't get too bored and switch off completely, or fall asleep at the keyboard.

As for which test is the hardest on the first run-through, maybe the Group Boredom test could possibly be harder? But like I said before, it is easier to improve at the Boredom test than the SCAAT test.

 

[Scaramanga]

When I first sat a driver assessment I had never heard of or seen a gb test. As a result I got a borderline pass only. When I downloaded the online test I was getting around 900 cells with 20 mistakes. In only five more attempts this was up to 1340 cells with 4 omissions.
I dont really think it's a true test of prolonged concentration as obviously its quite easy to train your eyes to pick up the patterns very quickly.

 

[Spaceflower]

What is this? Are applying to fly an alien craft or something?

 

[TDK]

What is this? Are applying to fly an alien craft or something?

Some train drivers look like aliens

 

[carlejo]

I'm getting to nearly 1000 cells with 1-3 ommited and maybe 1 mistake...is this good enough to pass ?

What are they looking for, accuracy ?

Is there anyone that knows what's a definate pass ?
cheers
Carlejo

 

[455driver]

Some train drivers look like aliens

Bugger off Shrek!


please not this is humour and I am not saying TDK looks like Shrek, Shrek is much prettier!

 

[FrankOwen]

Does anyone know how many omissions are allowed in the GB test? My speed and consistency are fine but I'm missing between 1 and 4 each time. I missed 6 last week when I had my daughter running round me.
Thanks