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Sort of like Shipley?
No - quite different.

Double cross platform interchange looking from one train through another train (which has its doors open on both sides) to reveal a third train. This is Barking station in London, England where the eastbound London Underground trains open their doors on both sides so as to provide cross-platform interchange with two different mainline railway services, these being the C2C rail service between Fenchurch Street and Shoeburyness stations (as seen on the other side of the District Line train) and the London Overground Gospel Oak to Barking Line service.

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https://en-academic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/151672

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I sympathise - the platform numbering is perfectly logical on a plan (1 to 20, starting with the most northerly and going round clockwise), but access to the platforms isn't nearly as simple. I'm not sure it can really be simplified, but signposting to make it really clear for example that for platforms 8-10 you need to go up the escalator from the main concourse, whilst for 7 and 11 you need to go around the escalator, would help. (And if that example is incorrect, it just proves my point!)
I must admit I have to concentrate when navigating Waverley, and I've been using it regularly for over half a century!
 

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Does anyone remember Ventnor, where the only way of reaching the island platform was across a gangplank, unless there was a convenient carriage to walk through?
There was a similar arrangement at Malton before the Up platform was done away with....but in that case it was quite a hefty swing bridge which could take heavy parcels and luggage trolleys and barrows, as well as passengers.
 

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There was a similar arrangement at Malton before the Up platform was done away with....but in that case it was quite a hefty swing bridge which could take heavy parcels and luggage trolleys and barrows, as well as passengers.
Was that something a bit like what used to be at Brockenhurst?
 

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Hellifield is an island accessed by a subway. The east end bay was definitely 1 track with platforms both sides. Google Maps satellite view seems to say the west end bay is the same but I haven't been there for many years so lets put that down as a 'probably'
Yes....The West end bay was also a single line with platform faces at either side.
 

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Hellifield had 2

There are several on the Cumbrian Coast. I have always assumed it was just that the Furness Railway liked the European style "Haus- und Nebenbahnsteig" layout rather than a single island or side platforms. I don't think it was to do with wanting access from both sides.
 

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Was that something a bit like what used to be at Brockenhurst?
Seems quite different to Brockenhurst in a picture in a previous thread, here:
 

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Farringdon isn't illogical but it is haphazard for those wanting step free access.
Farringdon/Barbican is also one of the few places (the others being paddington and liverpool street/moorgate) you can catch an underground train to a different part of the same station complex.
 

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Then they added 2 new platforms on the east side so Leicester - Brum trains coukd use the flyover and avoid crossing the West Coast line on the flat.

Interestingly this improvement removed the possibility of Coventry-Leicester directs, which one assumes would be a significant inconvenience to many travellers now (two of the Midlands' biggest population centres must have a fair bit of demand to travel between them).
 

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Farringdon/Barbican is also one of the few places (the others being paddington and liverpool street/moorgate) you can catch an underground train to a different part of the same station complex.
Whilst you can "catch" the escalator to travel from Monument to Bank :D
 

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I have to admit that I only use Mirfield station for going to the Navigation Tavern (well, are there any non-locals who use it for anything else?). If I come from, say, Huddersfield then I go straight down the steps into the murk of the underline road and turn left. On my return, if I want to go back to Huddersfield, I get back to where I came from and suddenly remember which platform I need to use - and if I've timed it a bit tight then it can be a bit of a bind!

Mirfield has been a handy place to change trains between Calder valley stoppers and the Hudds - Castleford services (albeit in my case with a short interlude in the Navigation tavern).

Unfortunately that has now been ruined with the "covid" cuts that never end.
 

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Farringdon/Barbican is also one of the few places (the others being paddington and liverpool street/moorgate) you can catch an underground train to a different part of the same station complex.

I had to think about Paddington for a few minutes... I'm guessing you mean, if you took a Circle line train around the entire circle through Liverpool Street-Victoria, which obviously no 'normal' person would ever deliberately do [1]. For Liverpool Street and Farringdon, it is very plausible that someone could take a tube the one stop to get the other part of the station complex as part of an actual journey.

[1] Pre-Covid, something similar was possible at London Bridge: You could get a train from the Charing Cross platforms to the Cannon Street platforms via Slade Green. I don't believe that's possible though with the current reduced timetable.
 
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I had to think about Paddington for a few minutes... I'm guessing you mean, if you took a Circle line train around the entire circle through Liverpool Street-Victoria, which obviously no 'normal' person would ever deliberately do. For Liverpool Street and Farringdon, it is very plausible that someone could take a tube the one stop to get the other part of the station complex as part of an actual journey.
Or Hammersmith and City, changing onto the Circle at Edgware Road.
 

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Or Hammersmith and City, changing onto the Circle at Edgware Road.

That is true, but if you allow people to change trains when travelling between parts of a station complex, then it is no longer anything unusual or remarkable, as you could probably do that with just about any sufficiently large station. (Examples: Liverpool Lime Street terminus platforms to underground platform, changing at Chester. Or St Pancras Thameslink platforms to High Speed platforms, changing at Gravesend. Or one side of Waterloo to the opposite side, changing at Vauxhall, etc.).
 

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Farringdon/Barbican is also one of the few places (the others being paddington and liverpool street/moorgate) you can catch an underground train to a different part of the same station complex.
And Waterloo-Southwark on the Jubilee Line to access Waterloo East.
 

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I'll add a vote for Crewe. The station has never seemed intuitive to me - I think the arrangement of canopies and overall roofs doesn't help you navigate, especially the first time you use it.
 

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I don't understand - why would you be going between platforms at an unstaffed station (unless its a penalty fare area and ticket machines are only on one platform - which would be a bit rubbish)
At Mirfield the ticket machine in on platform 3, the Huddersfield / Wigan bound platform. There is no machine on the island platform (platforms 1 and 2), however this will soon be changing once the station is rebuilt as part of the Transpennine Route Upgrade.

Marsden is similar but now there is a sign near the ticket machine stating that platform 3 is no longer in use, despite the ticket machine being located near there.
 

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A minor thing, but it always struck me as quite odd that the lifts at Essex Road station take you down further than the platform level, so you then have to walk back up to reach them!
It was designed to have another deeper line running through at right angles, and the lift landing was halfway between the levels of the two lines. We're still waiting for the other line.
 

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Anyone today looking at Gloucester for the first time would think the layout is bonkers, what with the former Midland Bristol - Brum line passing by with no ability to stop without reversing. But of course, it is a result of historical developments (and possibly later mismanagement, depending on your pov).
 

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I'm not sure it it is haphazard & illogical rather than sub-optimal design, but London Bridge could have been designed better with a mezzanine between the platforms & concourse level. Last time I was there, one escalator was out of use (there are only two in each direction per pair of platforms, and I think one to the terminating tracks but I'm not sure) and people were struggling. A good design would have half a dozen going down to a mezzanine making changing trains easier.
 

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St Neots always seemed a bit unusual to me, with the ticket office not offering access to the platforms or a stairway. Instead you enter the station by the metal bridge nextdoor.
 

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Canning Town on the DLR is a significant nuisance, the original clever two islands on top of each other, DLR over Jubilee Line, was extended to a further DLR island out in the sticks, which takes three escalators and quite a lot of walking to get from one to the other. DLR trains leave alternately to Woolwich and to Beckton from each one, but poor displays and signposting mean it is difficult to work out where the next departure to these lines might be.
 

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Canning Town on the DLR is a significant nuisance, the original clever two islands on top of each other, DLR over Jubilee Line, was extended to a further DLR island out in the sticks, which takes three escalators and quite a lot of walking to get from one to the other. DLR trains leave alternately to Woolwich and to Beckton from each one, but poor displays and signposting mean it is difficult to work out where the next departure to these lines might be.
If the upper island were widened so that the two southbound DLR tracks were over each other, both lower islands would have direct escalator access to the wide upper island. Since DLR viaducts are flimsy and curvy, this wouldn't cost as much as it might seem at first glance.
 

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Norwood Junction is annoying, especially now it’s required to be used for interchange a lot more with Southern no longer serving Forest Hill line stations. So from East Croydon you get off on platform 3, and should be able to cross-platform to 2 to join northbound Overground, but instead have to go down the narrow subway (no step free) and cross to platform 1. It was a lot easier in the days of slammers, but also the 455s they used to open both sets of doors IIRC
 

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I'm not sure it it is haphazard & illogical rather than sub-optimal design, but London Bridge could have been designed better with a mezzanine between the platforms & concourse level. Last time I was there, one escalator was out of use (there are only two in each direction per pair of platforms, and I think one to the terminating tracks but I'm not sure) and people were struggling. A good design would have half a dozen going down to a mezzanine making changing trains easier.
This was the original plan, but was scrapped due to cost cutting apparently
 
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The Paddington trains, especially the Bristolian and other prestigious ones, used to be put into P3, the one next to the main entrance, back in the day. Nowadays, operational efficiency and the need to accommodate more frequent services means theyre usually banished to 13 or 15 to avoid crossing the entire throat.

The platform numbering might seem strange, but it's easy if you remember Up trains go from odd-numbered platforms and Down from even-numbered.
Back when I worked in the erstwhile Area Signalling Engineers office at Bristol, the earliest murmurings of the GW electrification were taking place, with all the usual pie in the sky, money is no object ideas.
One of these ideas was to reclaim the old train shed and use it to terminate the flagship London services, once the signal box had been removed.
I recall a colleague laughing and suggesting the that idea to have 2-3 trains an hour, crossing the entire station throat every hour, in both directions, could only have come from Whitehall.

There was also the issue that a) at that time there was no plan to recontrol the southern end of Bristol PBs area to TVSS, only the TM approaches and the Badminton line b) there was no notion of what train would be using them, IET was still referred to as HST2 internally c) not every Paddington train starts and terminates at TM d) there’s only really enough room for 2 modern platforms in the train shed e) it would be far too short for a full length HST without moving into the Commonwealth museum too (as it was) and finally f) you’d block pedestrian access to the station from all the new development to the north.

Also, at the time this idea was mooted, the land to the north of the station and box was earmarked for a light rail interchange (long since dead in the water) which would have now had this new part of the station to get past For access.
 

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The first time I went to Mirfield I had trouble spotting platform 3, it being some way away from the island platforms.
 

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One of these ideas was to reclaim the old [Bristol TM] train shed and use it to terminate the flagship London services, once the signal box had been removed.
Suspect I'm one of the few here who remembers the "Brunel shed" in use at the end of steam, normally for Gloucester and Bath Green Park trains, and occasionally for Severn Beach, although the latter also crossed right across the station throat sometimes, as did through LMR-West of England trains. In quiet moments the spotters at the end of the platform would go for a walk right around the shed. It still had wooden platforms, there was a (foul?) smelling subway halfway along if your train was on the far platform, and a dilapidated signalbox perched high up in the structure which controlled the rarely-used buffer end crossovers. It was a fascinating, almost ghostly walk around, took maybe 15 minutes right round, and there was never anyone else there. The buffer ends must have been right high up against the main Temple Gate road.
 
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