Ideas to enable GTR free up 377s to replace the 313s

[paul1609]

Moderator note: Split from https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/southern-class-313-twilight-withdrawal-updates.231486/

Can I just remind the non 313 fans on this thread, if you are local to the Coastway routes you may want to consider what you dislike more: a 313 or a very infrequent service.

Since losing the 455s up here in London Land the services (as has been well documented elsewhere) have been slashed and many who lamented 455s now realise that without anything to replace them they were better than nothing.

Presumably some drags to Sims of Newport are imminent?

The coastway services have already been cut even with the 313s.
Given the number of Thameslink services that have been cut or never even started there should be ample 700 units spare, it would make sense for some of the shorter / outer suburban Southern routes to Victoria to be transferred to Thameslink (its all GTR) freeing up 377s for use on the coast.

 

[Andy1673]

The coastway services have already been cut even with the 313s.
Given the number of Thameslink services that have been cut or never even started there should be ample 700 units spare, it would make sense for some of the shorter / outer suburban Southern routes to Victoria to be transferred to Thameslink (its all GTR) freeing up 377s for use on the coast.

Transfer them to Thameslink looks almost unreal due to various reason. But Southern can reallocate some 377/3s to the coastway services because there are too many Selhurst spares 377/3s (5 for 17 allocated on weekdays). All 377/3s work in 377/1/4 + 2x377/3 formation and only on Victoria - West Croydon - London Bridge - Victoria services. 10 cars... This is a very generous for those services for now. If they would be reduced to 7 cars Southern got another seven 377/3s for the coastways.

 

[PGAT]

Southern still have surplus units from the September and May cuts so reducing to 7 cars isn’t necessary.

 

[JonathanH]

Southern still have surplus units from the September and May cuts so reducing to 7 cars isn’t necessary.

Why haven't they reallocated them to displace 313s yet?

 

[Southern Dvr]

They’re all GTR but not quite.

Thameslink & Great Northern
Southern & Gatwick Express

Deliberately separate yet together so they can be split off in the future.

Back on topic. More unit cuts will give more service cuts. Fact.

The coastway services have already been cut even with the 313s.
Given the number of Thameslink services that have been cut or never even started there should be ample 700 units spare, it would make sense for some of the shorter / outer suburban Southern routes to Victoria to be transferred to Thameslink (its all GTR) freeing up 377s for use on the coast.

 

[Benjaminmorgan]

Withdraw or transfer the Watford service to London Overground to free up the 377/2 for the coastway?