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Ideas for Stagecoach South Renumbering (taken from Stagecoack S&SE Thread #825 - Data Changes)

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Taken from the Stagecoach South/South East Thread - feedback was that this is very long and not factual, and could be moved to it's own discussion. The idea being the potential for route numbers to be revised if duplication cannot be permitted due to data law changes. Here goes:

Very first post on the forum and hello - though I've been a guest lurker for long time and been involved in transport for a fair while too, I hadn't posted until now as seeing about legal problems with data got me thinking.....

Doing the laymans job and copying the list from BusTimes Stagecoach South doesn't seem that hard to crack - if you do the NBC three digit numbering as per Hastings. There's loads of duplication and also a need to bear in mind long established brands (such as the Blackwater Valley 1 - I remember this when launched vice the 20/20A and on the Yateley run) and where the numbering needs to fit in with other services (such as the operators in Portsmouth).

Very long, very pie in the sky, but if anyone wants to take a look it's here. Some areas have minimal changes and others just add 2## or 3## to the numbers, which for the enthusiast makes things more old school but for others keeps things familiar. I did toy with renumbering Basingstoke into the odd 30 and 40 numbers which were left out but with a network that's had single numbers for the last 25 years (though the network has changed multiple times since) it seemed better to do a Hastings. There is a bit of a historical connection with which digit is added but it all works out. Here goes:

Old New Route
1 1 Aldershot - Farnborough - Camberley, Old Dean
2 2 Winnall - City Centre - Stanmore
3 3 City Centre - Stockbridge Road - Harestock
4 4 City Centre - Highcliffe
5 5 City Centre - Romsey Road - Badger Farm
6 6 City Centre - Worthy Road - Springvale
7 7 Winchester Bus Station - Winchester Bus Station
8 8 Andover - Salisbury via Ludgershall, Tidworth, Bulford, Amesbury
9 9 Farnborough - Cove - Southwood
10 10 All Hallows School - Church Crookham The Verne
11 11 Farnborough - Deepcut - Camberley
12 12 Tipner - Fratton Way Tesco
13 13 Portsmouth The Hard Interchange - Baffins Portsmouth College
14 14 Baffins Portsmouth College - Portsmouth The Hard Interchange
15 15 Tices Meadow - Aldershot - North Town
16 16 Winchester - Kings Somborne, Stockbridge and Broughton - Houghton
17 17 Brighton - Henfield - Horsham
18 18 Paulsgrove, Almondsbury Road - Clarence Pier
19 19 Portsmouth City Centre - Ocean Retail Park - Leigh Park
20 20 Aldershot - Normandy - Guildford
21 21 Portsmouth, The Hard - Anchorage Park
2 22 Fboro Kingsmead - Camberley Stn
23 23 Havant - Portsmouth - Southsea
6 24 Farnborough - Cove - Prospect Estate
25 25 The Hard - Hayling Ferry
12 26 Heatherside - Camberley - Paddock Hill
27 27 Rowlands Castle - Havant - Emsworth
28 28 Woking - Goldsworth Park - Knaphill
22 29 Havant Bus Station - Leigh Park - Warren Park
30 30 Havant - Hayling Island
31 31 Havant - Hayling Island
32 32 Basingstoke - Kingsclere - Newbury
34 34 Guildford Bus Stn - Camberley Pembroke Broadway
35 35 Guildford Bus Stn - Woking Rail Station
37 37 Havant - Waterlooville - Petersfield
38 38 Petersfield Station - Alton Station
39 39 Havant - Waterlooville - Wecock Farm
46 46 Chichester Cathedral - Chichester Cathedral
47 47 Chichester Cathedral - Chichester Cathedral
49 49 Bishops Waltham - Hedge End Park via Durley, Botley
50 50 Chichester Cathedral - Graylingwell Park - Summersdale
51 51 Chichester Bus Station - Selsey West Sands Caravan Park
52 52 Chichester Bus Station - Chichester Bus Station
53 53 Chichester Bishop Luffa School - Chichester Bishop Luffa School
54 54 Chichester - Petersfield via Funtington, South Harting & Rogate
55 55 Oving St Andrew's Close - Chichester Bus Station
60 60 Chichester - Midhurst via Lavant, Singleton & Cocking
61 61 West Meads - Aldwick - Bognor Regis, Retail Parks
62 62 Rose Green - Bognor Regis, Retail Parks
63 63 Elmer - Bognor Regis - Bersted
64 64 Winchester - Alton via Morn Hill, Alresford, Four Marks
65 65 Alton - Farnham - Guildford
66 66 Winchester - Hursley, Woodley - Romsey
67 67 Tidworth Tesco Superstore - Salisbury Endless Street
68 68 Salisbury - Winchester via Stockbridge, Peter Symonds College
69 69 Peter Symonds College Winchester - Fair Oak, Bishops Waltham, Wickham - Fareham
70 70 Guildford Bus Stn - Midhurst Bus Stand
71 71 Guildford Bus Stn - Woolmer Hill Hatchetts Drive
72 72 Guildford Bus Stn - Aaron's Hill The Horseshoe
73 73 Charlton - Peter Symonds College via Andover, Sparsholt College
74 74 Andover Bus Station - Fulflood Peter Symonds
75 75 Andover Bus Station - Winchester Bus Station
76 76 Basingstoke Bus Station - Andover Bus Station National Express
7 77 Andover Bus Station - Newbury Newbury Wharf
1 81 Andover - New Street - King Arthurs Way
2 82 Town Centre - London Road - East Anton
3 83 Picket Twenty - Town Centre - Charlton/Saxon Fields
4 84 Picket Piece - Town Centre - Drove Estate
5 85 Andover - Thruxton
86 86 Oakley - Winchester via Overton, Whitchurch
87 87 Andover - Salisbury via Winterslow, Pitton
87 88 Chobham - Lightwater - Collingwood College
91 91 Midhurst Bus Station - Petersfield Station
92 92 Midhurst Bus Station - Petersfield Station
93 93 Midhurst Bus Station - Petersfield Station
1 101 Worthing - Midhurst
7 107 Aldershot - Fleet - Phoenix Green
113 113 Liphook Sainsburys - Alton College
123 123 Alton College - Liphook Sainsburys
46 146 Winchester - Hiltingbury - North Baddesley
61 161 Winchester - Eastleigh via RHCH, Colden Common, Allbrook
66 166 Tidworth Tesco Superstore - Salisbury South Wilts Grammar School
75 175 Rushmoor - Beacon Hill - Weydon School
20 200 Havant - QA Hospital - Portsmouth
1 201 Guildford Bus Stn - Guildford Bus Stn
2 202 Guildford - Woodbridge Road - Stoughton
3 203 Aldershot Wellington Centre - Yateley St Swithuns Church
4 204 Aldershot Princes Gardens - The Chantrys
5 205 Aldershot Princes Gardens - The Chantrys
6 206 Guildford - Burpham - Merrow Park
7 207 Guildford - Merrow - Bushy Hill
9 209 Alton High Street - Manor Estate
13 213 Basingstoke - Alton - Bordon
16 216 Aldershot - Farnham - Rowledge
18 218 Aldershot - Farnham - Bordon
19 219 Aldershot - Farnham - Haslemere, High Lane Estate
201 221 Amesbury - Woodford Valley - Salisbury
23 223 Liphook Sainsburys - Haslemere Town Hall
46 246 Guildford - Godalming - Farnham
47 247 West End - Bisley - Brookwood
53 253 Guildford Bus Stn - Ewhurst The Glebe
56 256 Old Bosham - Fishbourne - Chichester
63 263 Guildford Bus Stn - Horsham Bus Stn
67 267 Winchester - Petersfield via Alresford, Bramdean, The Meons
77 277 Winchester Bus Station - Winchester Bus Station
91 291 Woking Rail Station - Guildford Bus Stn
300 300 Guildford - Merrow Park & Ride
1 301 Basingstoke - Brighton Hill
2 302 Basingstoke Bus Station - Baughurst Common Badgers Wood
3 303 Basingstoke or Town Centre - South Ham
4 304 Town Centre - Chineham Centre
5 305 Basingstoke - West Popley
6 306 Winklebury - East Popley
7 307 Basingstoke Bus Station - Chineham Village Hall
8 308 Town Centre - Kempshott Park
10 310 Chineham/Old Basing - Basingstoke
11 311 Town Centre - Oakley
12 312 Town Centre - Kempshott Park
14 314 Basingstoke - Tadley
15 315 Town Centre - South View
16 316 Basingstoke - Steventon
17 317 Town Centre - Black Dam
20 320 Basingstoke Town Centre - Vyne Park
22 322 Basingstoke Bus Station - Sherborne St John Crane's Farm
500 500 Littlehampton - Yapton - Barnham - Fontwell - Tangmere - Chichester
600 600 Bognor Regis - Pagham - Chichester
401 601 Southwood - Farnborough Park - All Hallows School
403 602 All Hallows School - Fox Lane All Saints Church
603 603 All Hallows School - Frimley Church Road
404 604 Wrecclesham Westfield Lane - Farnborough Sixth Form College
405 605 Wrecclesham Westfield Lane - Farnborough Sixth Form College
406 606 Finchampstead, California Crossroads - Yateley - Farnborough
607 607 Chineham Cibbons Road - Eastrop Crossborough Hill
410 609 Farnborough Sixth Form College - Bowling Alley, Downsland Copse
610 610 Calthorpe Park School - Crondall, Greensprings
402 612 Cove Pinewood School - All Hallows School
614 614 West Wittering - Selsey Academy
615 615 Bracklesham - Selsey Academy
415 616 Wellesley - Alderwood School
418 618 Bordon Arrival Square - Farnborough Sixth Form College
422 622 Northchapel - Petworth - Midhurst Rother College
632 632 Hayling Island - Havant Bus Station - Oaklands School
638 638 Cowplain Cowplain Shops - Alton Station
649 649 Botley Station - Swanmore Technology College
622 650 Basingstoke Queen Marys College - Baughurst Common Badgers Wood
651 651 Chichester High School Grounds - Selsey Seal Road
652 652 Hambledon - The Cowplain School
654 654 Hambledon - Oaklands School
655 655 Tangmere - Boxgrove - Westhampnett - Chichester
655 656 Chineham - Vyne Community School
657 657 Chineham - Bishop Challoner School
658 658 Chichester Park Hotel - OSVA Westergate via Boxgrove & Tangmere
667 667 Tidworth - Porton - Salisbury
470 670 Hammer Hill - Fernhurst - Rother College
471 671 Hambledon Common Lane End - Woolmer Hill School
676 676 Basingstoke Queen Marys College - Andover Bus Station National Express
694 694 Ash - Compton - Broadwater School, Farncombe
701 701 Lancing - Littlehampton/Wick via Worthing, Goring-by-Sea, Rustington
5 705 Worthing - Broadwater - Durrington
7 706 Lancing - Worthing - High Salvington
707 707 Bognor Regis - University of Chichester - Chichester
9 709 Holmbush Shopping Centre - Arundel
10 710 Worthing - West Tarring - Durrington/Angmering
11 711 Worthing - Littlehampton via Goring-by-Sea, Ferring, East Preston, Rustington
725 725 Portsmouth - Pagham
737 737 Havant & South Downs College - Petersfield - Bordon
69 769 Wick - Pagham
700 700 Coastliner – Three Sections
900 900 Chichester - Goodwood Racecourse
902 902 Chichester - Goodwood
911 911 Petworth - Midhurst - Goodwood Racecourse
912 912 Arundel - Bognor Regis - Goodwood Racecourse
913 913 Petersfield - Midhurst - Goodwood Racecourse
914 914 Portsmouth - Goodwood Racecourse via Fratton & Havant
915 915 Fareham Bus Station - Goodwood Racecourse via Portchester & Havant
916 916 Clanfield - Goodwood Racecourse via Horndean, Cowplain, Waterlooville & Havant
917 917 Godalming - Goodwood Racecourse via Haslemere & Midhurst
971 971 Witley Station - Chiddingfold
49h 49h Hedge End Park - Hamble Square via Bursledon Tesco, Netley
65X 65X Weybourne - Fleet - Alton College
7a 77A Burghclere Common The Swan Inn - Newbury Newbury Wharf
D1 D1 Waterlooville Precinct - The Gardens
D2 D2 Waterlooville Precinct - Great Mead
FP1 FP1 Barnham Railway Station - Fontwell Park Racecourse
N1 N201 Guildford Bus Stn - Guildford Bus Stn
N700 N700 Brighton - Durrington via Shoreham-by-Sea, South Lancing, Worthing
SP1 SP1 Park Barn - Stoughton - St Peter's School, Merrow
SP2 SP2 Cranleigh, Park Mead - Bramley - St Peter's School, Merrow
SP3 SP3 Busbridge - Godalming - St Peter's School, Merrow
SP4 SP4 Catteshall - Farncombe - St Peter's School, Merrow
U7 U7 Bognor Regis - University of Chichester - Chichester
WPR WPR St Catherines PR - South PR via City Centre, RHCH
X67 X67 Tidworth Tesco Superstore - Salisbury South Wilts Grammar School

Sorry it's long but if Stagecoach South need to do it things aren't impossible. Really for some people it would make things more interesting, and I agree with the backroom route numbers. Certainly many duty cards carry different ETM numbers so the bigger picture can differentiate - I know people on the forum will get this already though.

If you're still here, thanks so much!

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==

Second post which relates to the same thread:

The doubling up of numbers is what led me to look at Basingstoke in the 300 series, filling the gaps led to a 41 (Cresta Coaches Alresford route) and a 55 (Basingstoke Community Transport Old Basing/Lychpit route) so they had to be removed. There’s also a 55 in Chichester which could then be left alone.

The first draft of Basingstoke was as follows, with consequential alterations in other areas:

1 - 40 Basingstoke - Brighton Hill
2 - 50 Basingstoke - Baughurst
3 - 57 Basingstoke - South Ham
4 - 43 Basingstoke - Chineham Centre
5 - 45 Basingstoke - West Popley
6 - 59 East Popley - Winklebury
7 - 33 Basingstoke - Chineham
8 - 56 Basingstoke - HatchWarren
10 - 310 Basingstoke - Old Basing
11 - 311 Basingstoke - Oakley
12 - 42 Basingstoke - HatchWarren
14 - 44 Basingstoke - Tadley
15 - 48 Basingstoke - South View
16 - 316 Basingstoke - Steventon
17 - 36 Basingstoke - Black Dam
20 - 58 Basingstoke - Vyne Park

50 - 250 Chichester - Summersdale

Originally I’d done the Guildford series as 400s but changed that with this being the old London Country series. That’s what led to the renumbering to school routes into the 600s, but the school routes could stay as is really. Basingstoke really could fill a lot of gaps but it might be too dramatic a change for some passengers*, so the 300 series is probably a better bet.

* - this didn’t stop the 2000 network change which was pretty huge, 25 year anniversary this week.
 
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