Ideas for Class 332 after Crossrail

[Philip Phlopp]

Don't 333's have longer carriages than 332s (23m as opposed to 20m)?

And correct me if I'm wrong but Platform Edge Doors within the Crossrail/Lizzie Line tunnels can't align with any other stock being built (sans the 345s).

The Class 332 and Class 333 units have the same bodyshell, it's also shared with the NIR Class 4000 diesel units, and partially with the IE Mark IV coaching stock. The same bodyshell will again be used for the new Northern DMU and EMU units (Class 195 and Class 331).

And yes, platform doors on Crossrail are designed for the Class 345 stock.

 

[43096]

Another of those pointless threads which deal with ifs and buts (see 442 wibble ad nauseam). As HEx stays post Crossrail, shouldn't the question be about future uses of the 360/2 fleet?

 

[Tom m]

Can't see Heathrow express giving up the stock they own, especially as they are trying to go west to reading/Bristol with the wester acess to Heathrow, if it ever gets built.

 

[Philip Phlopp]

Can't see Heathrow express giving up the stock they own, especially as they are trying to go west to reading/Bristol with the wester acess to Heathrow, if it ever gets built.

The Western Rail Access to Heathrow may (is likely to) need 110mph capable stock and regardless, having stock compatible with the Class 345 stock in the tunnels into Heathrow would be helpful, more from a Crossrail perspective.

I'd guess when the WRAtH pathing and open access decisions are being reviewed, Heathrow Airport Holdings will be offering that they'll procure new rolling stock with better compatibility for rescue purposes and acceleration/braking characteristics which match the Class 345 and Class 387 fleets.

There's nothing to stop Angel (or another ROSCO) buying out Heathrow Airport Holdings interests in the Class 332 fleet either - plenty of rolling stock has changed hands.

 

[David Goddard]

Another of those pointless threads which deal with ifs and buts (see 442 wibble ad nauseam). As HEx stays post Crossrail, shouldn't the question be about future uses of the 360/2 fleet?

Well that's a more worthwhile question. The most natural home would be with the 360/1s on the Great Eastern section, where they could be used to make (four) eight car services up to nine car, allowing displaced 360/1s to take a like number of eight car services up to twelve car.

 

[swt class 450]

Here is what i am thinking. So at the moment we have.

9 x 4 car class 332s
5 x 5 car class 332s
16 x 4 car class 333s

What could happen is that the 5 x 5 car 332s have their 5th coach removed which would make.

14 x 4 car 332s
16 x 4 car 333s

Then Northern Rail could add an additional 5 x 3 car class 332s/333s on to their current 195/331 order.

Then they could use the 5 x spare 332 coaches to add to the 5 x 3 car new 332s/333s to make them up to 4 coaches each.

This would then result in Northern Rail having a fleet of.

35 x 4 car 332s/333s

This could be very useful for allowing Northern Rail to operate some 12 coach trains during the peak times (some platforms may have to be extended or SDO may need to be used).

Northern Rail could keep the current interior of the 332s with the 1+1 1st class seating which might help attract some business customers to use it.

I know that it is unlikely to happen but it is the best idea that i can personally think of.