Ian Brady

[ReverendFozz]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23042109

Moors Murderer Ian Brady says insanity was 'method acting'

What is his game, is he being genuine at this tribunal or is it all coming across as a very good acting performance.

Moors Murderer Ian Brady has told a mental health tribunal he used "method acting" to be classed insane.

Brady, speaking publicly for the first time in 47 years, claimed he put on the act to get transferred from prison to Ashworth Hospital.

He is now fighting to be found sane so he can return to prison, though he accepts he will never be freed.

Hospital staff believe Brady, who has fought for the right to kill himself, is mentally ill and should stay there.

Brady, now 75, and Myra Hindley tortured and murdered five children.

The pair buried some of their victims' bodies on Saddleworth Moor in the Peak District.

Brady gave evidence for more than four hours at the tribunal, which is sitting at Ashworth high-security psychiatric hospital in Maghull, Merseyside, where he has been held since 1985.

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Should he be allowed to be in control of his own demise or should he be kept alive, personally I say let the b*****d die, but do a deal with the authorities, he pin points exactly where Keith Bennett is and when found, he can be left to rot and die

 

[ralphchadkirk]

Whether he's being genuine or not is something for the tribunal to decide. I haven't seen any of the evidence he's presented, and neither have I seen any of the evidence the hospital have presented.

Let's face it, he's 75 and in poor health. He isn't going to last much longer (probably less, if he gets transferred to a prison) so what does it matter if he dies five years from now in Ashworth or three years from now in prison?

 

[SS4]

Whether he's being genuine or not is something for the tribunal to decide. I haven't seen any of the evidence he's presented, and neither have I seen any of the evidence the hospital have presented.

My thoughts exactly. The tribunal no doubt do this day-in day-out and will be in a much better position to make an informed decision than us having to rely on second-hand information no doubt filtered according to political bias.

 

[455driver]

Lump of lead inserted into his ear at high velocity would sort the problem and save a few quid in the future!

 

[TheEdge]

My thoughts on this....

Oh poor Ian Brady. I agree you are being mistreated. The correct treatment for your condition would be a short fall followed by a sharp stop.

 

[Butts]

If Brady was not so notorious he would probably have been released years ago, thus affording him the opportunity take his own life.

In a media driven world this was never likely to happen.

The fact a lot of prisoners have been released eventually, having committed crimes of an equally repulsive nature is an example of double standards within the judicary.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

5 counts of murder all involving vulnerable people doesn't stack up well for ever being released. One of the disadvantages of a jury system though is, like Peter Sutcliffe, sometimes they look beyond some psychiatric evidence and just think 'He's twisted, evil scum' and find him guilty on that basis. Once that is done, the judge must pass the mandatory life sentence for murder with a very high minimum term for the circumstances here. He can overrule the jury afaik but it would have been getting on impossible to justify here.

 

[yorksrob]

If Brady was not so notorious he would probably have been released years ago, thus affording him the opportunity take his own life.

In a media driven world this was never likely to happen.

The fact a lot of prisoners have been released eventually, having committed crimes of an equally repulsive nature is an example of double standards within the judicary.

Brady was sentenced to life without parole.

Even if the Judiciary had allowed people who'd committed equally repulsive crimes to be released from prison, this would more likely be representative of a disconnect between judicial policy and public opinion on law and order rather than double standards.

 

[Butts]

5 counts of murder all involving vulnerable people doesn't stack up well for ever being released. One of the disadvantages of a jury system though is, like Peter Sutcliffe, sometimes they look beyond some psychiatric evidence and just think 'He's twisted, evil scum' and find him guilty on that basis. Once that is done, the judge must pass the mandatory life sentence for murder with a very high minimum term for the circumstances here. He can overrule the jury afaik but it would have been getting on impossible to justify here.

I don't think Brady would represent any threat to Society if he was to be released after nearly 50 years banged up.

 

[yorksrob]

I don't think Brady would represent any threat to Society if he was to be released after nearly 50 years banged up.

But would adequate retribution have been obtained. I don't think so.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

I don't think Brady would represent any threat to Society if he was to be released after nearly 50 years banged up.

I don't think he would either, but that doesn't mean to say he should be released. Life without parole should be exactly what it says on the tin. He killed 5 innocent children in one of the most twisted and backward crimes this country has seen in years. For that, he should never see freedom again.

 

[Butts]

But would adequate retribution have been obtained. I don't think so.

Are people sent to Prison as a punishment or to be punished - ie is the loss of liberty not the punishment ?

 

[yorksrob]

Are people sent to Prison as a punishment or to be punished - ie is the loss of liberty not the punishment ?

The argument here is not whether the loss of liberty itself is the punishment or not, rather whether any sort of sentence which involved the possibility of Brady being released would represent adequate retribution.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Are people sent to Prison as a punishment or to be punished - ie is the loss of liberty not the punishment ?

We've discussed this on here a million times before. It depends on which of the six methods of sentencing you believe in. Rehabilitation will work for some, but I genuinely believe in cases such as the Moors Murderers, who afaik showed no remorse, it wouldn't work. Again, as far as I'm concerned, the only adequate punishment for torturing and killing 5 innocent kids without an ounce of regret or guilt is that you never leave prison, even if you live to be 120 years old.

 

[Butts]

The argument here is not whether the loss of liberty itself is the punishment or not, rather whether any sort of sentence which involved the possibility of Brady being released would represent adequate retribution.

But surely the purpose of sending people to prison is not retribution , but the hope of rehabilitation ?

 

[MidnightFlyer]

We've discussed this on here a million times before. It depends on which of the six methods of sentencing you believe in.

But surely the purpose of sending people to prison is not retribution , but the hope of rehabilitation ?

I believe that even if they can be rehabilitated, some criminals should never be freed. Whilst I think leopards can change their spots I do think it shouldn't override what they did initially.

 

[yorksrob]

But surely the purpose of sending people to prison is not retribution , but the hope of rehabilitation ?

Firstly, I think you're wrong to state that the purpose of prison is not retribution. Retribution is an important part of any punishment, regardless of whether rehabilitation is part of the picture.

Secondly, whilst I believe strongly that in the majority of cases rehabilitation is a necessary and vital part of punishment alongside retribution, I also believe that some crimes are so heinous that the perpetrator doesn't deserve the chance of rehabilitation, and I see no reason morally why society shouldn't draw a line and wash its hands of these people.

 

[HST Power]

.....I also believe that some crimes are so heinous that the perpetrator doesn't deserve the chance of rehabilitation, and I see no reason morally why society shouldn't draw a line and wash its hands of these people.

Agreed!

 

[swj99]

Lump of lead inserted into his ear at high velocity would sort the problem and save a few quid in the future!

Sounds about right. Alternatively, isn't there a nice long staircase at Ashworth somewhere, possibly with a huge bath of acid at the bottom, or some drawing pins ?

 

[43021HST]

What sickens me is these murderers and sickos often have their own little fan clubs of females who send in letters from outside requesting marriage and relationships. Myra Hindley and Rose West are supposed to have quite a lesbian subculture surrounding them.

Why are some humans attracted to complete scum like this?
Then again this is what psychopaths do.

 

[swj99]

What sickens me is these murderers and sickos often have their own little fan clubs....

Unfortunately, this is probably true of Brady. I'm sure it's been mentioned on the website run by the late Keith Bennett's brother -
http://searchingforkeith.forumcircle.com/index.php?