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Iain Duncan Smith resigns

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The Work and Pensions Secretary has announced his resignation, presumably on the grounds that the disabled will not be further targeted by his government (this month, anyway) owing to some spirited resistance from some Tory backbenchers. What a man, the Leave campaign should be proud of him!
 
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The Work and Pensions Secretary has announced his resignation, presumably on the grounds that the disabled will not be further targeted by his government (this month, anyway) owing to some spirited resistance from some Tory backbenchers. What a man, the Leave campaign should be proud of him!
So should the disabled!:)
 

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I don't buy it.

Right up until now he's been lock step, if not a driving force, in the reforms and changes to the benefits system over the past five years and now suddenly these next set of proposed changes are a bridge too far? To the extent that his only option is resignation?
 

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One of the top Tory hatchet men growing a conscience? Wonders will never cease

Quite! I mean he's a been a bit quieter recently but back in 2012/13 he was leading the charge on Welfare Reform and a driving force on it. Yet now, suddenly, he's decided they're going too far?

I don't buy it something else is at play here it must be.
 

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All I can really say is that tonight's episode of The Last Leg on C4 just got a hell of a lot more interesting.

Between this, the latest omnishambles budget, and the poll released last night suggesting Labour have finally got ahead of the Tories, it's been one hell of a week in politics. :D
 

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Quite! I mean he's a been a bit quieter recently but back in 2012/13 he was leading the charge on Welfare Reform and a driving force on it. Yet now, suddenly, he's decided they're going too far?

I don't buy it something else is at play here it must be.

Europe? Leadership? Private life? there is a rabbit off.
 

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I don't buy it.

Right up until now he's been lock step, if not a driving force, in the reforms and changes to the benefits system over the past five years and now suddenly these next set of proposed changes are a bridge too far? To the extent that his only option is resignation?

In fairness to IDS, the original ideas that came from his think tank in the mid-2000s were actually pretty progressive. They've been distorted far away from that now, but some of the changes were justifiable for people daft enough to buy into the austerity myth.

These ones are a step too far, though. Economics George has cut this money from disabled people to fund a cut in tax for higher rate taxpayers, a cut in corporation tax, and to give Trustafarians a forty grand savings bung.

Clearly this isn't about austerity and is clearly a sociological- some may even say sociopathic- desire to see the disabled and vulnerable left destitute.

That said, I can't help but think that June might just be focusing IDS' mind too...
 
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Europe? Leadership? Private life? there is a rabbit off.

Leadership? He can't surely think he's going to get a second stab at it can he?

In fairness to IDS, the original ideas that came from his think tank in the mid-2000s were actually pretty progressive.

Very true. I actually find it rather annoying actually when you look back at what his think tank came up with (particularly with regards to Universal Credit which as proposed was actually a really really good idea) and what it actually looked like once politics, ideology and Whitehall were finished the difference is stark.

These ones are a step too far, though. Economics George has cut this money from disabled people to fund a cut in tax for higher rate taxpayers, a cut in corporation tax, and to give Trustafarians a forty grand savings bung.

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That said, I can't help but think that June might just be focusing IDS' mind too...

I suppose it might be June but otherwise I'm just not sure that I'm convinced that these changes are 'a step too' far compared to the sort of stuff he's said previously and actively supported!
 

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I think June is indeed on IDS's mind.

Distancing oneself from Dave and George who are in the 'Remain' camp could be a tactical political move in the hope the referendum result is 'Leave'. Risky, but the reward could be worth it.

Whatever happens I do enjoy watching the Conservatives fight amongst each other. <D
 

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What are the odds for a Tory breakup after the referendum? Oh how they'd regret not putting voting reform in then.
 

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Whatever happens I do enjoy watching the Conservatives fight amongst each other. <D
I suspect not as much as I enjoy watching Labour indulge in its internal squabbles.
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I think the Tories have their fair share. It all depends which way Murdoch swings - he's allowed to pick The Sun's position on the referendum. My guess is that he'll go for Brexit.
 

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Leadership? He can't surely think he's going to get a second stab at it can he?

Not his: Supporting the challenge of another rather than Gideon. Although I think it will be a combination of this and Europe - it was a good chance to kick Dave and Gid over their "iny" stance while scoring points for being a "outy" with the next leader.
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I suspect not as much as I enjoy watching Labour indulge in its internal squabbles.
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Labour don't have internal squabbles. We have factionism - its very different! ;)
 

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Stephen Crabb has been announced as Duncan-Smith's replacement.

"Crabb named as Duncan Smith replacement"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35850932

Stephen Crabb has been appointed as the new work and pensions secretary, after Iain Duncan Smith resigned on Friday.
Mr Duncan Smith had said the latest planned cuts to disability benefits were "not defensible" in a Budget that benefited higher-earning taxpayers.
David Cameron said he was "puzzled and disappointed" that Mr Duncan Smith had decided to go when they had agreed to have a rethink about the policies.
Alun Cairns is replacing Mr Crabb as secretary of state for Wales.
Mr Crabb told the BBC: "I'm obviously really pleased to take on the role... it's a huge privilege to be working on issues that are very close to my heart.
"We've got some very challenging decisions and issues to focus on."
 
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I'm glad he resigned, but I'm very surprised as this is hardly the first budget to target the disabled.
Corbyn has now called for Osborne to do the same and resign.
 

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Not his: Supporting the challenge of another rather than Gideon. Although I think it will be a combination of this and Europe - it was a good chance to kick Dave and Gid over their "iny" stance while scoring points for being a "outy" with the next leader.

Ah! Gotcha and I think you're possibly on to something there.

Labour don't have internal squabbles. We have factionism - its very different!

Whatever they are I must admit to finding them very entertaining :lol:
 

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The Westminster voting system means that grand coalitions of people with quite different philosophies need to be in the same party to have any chance of being in government. Hence left and right-wings of the Labour and Conservative parties. In other countries, the left and right wing factions would be different parites.
 

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This is all posturing with regards to the EU referendum. Even though I agree these cuts were a step too far.
 

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Stephen Crabb has been announced as Duncan-Smith's replacement.

"Crabb named as Duncan Smith replacement"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35850932

You needed a quote...

Stephen Crabb has been appointed as the new work and pensions secretary, after Iain Duncan Smith resigned on Friday.
Mr Duncan Smith had said the latest planned cuts to disability benefits were "not defensible" in a Budget that benefited higher-earning taxpayers.
David Cameron said he was "puzzled and disappointed" that Mr Duncan Smith had decided to go when they had agreed to have a rethink about the policies.
Alun Cairns is replacing Mr Crabb as secretary of state for Wales.
An ally of Mr Duncan Smith suggested he had been driven to resign by a "high-handed and short-termist political approach" to cuts by Chancellor George Osborne.

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said Mr Duncan Smith had "done the right thing", having "presided over some fairly appalling policies".
He said the government's latest moves to reduce disability payments were "simply not fair, not right" and it was wrong to finance tax cuts for the better off by "taking money away" from those with disabilities.
Mr Crabb, 43, who has been MP for Preseli Pembrokeshire since 2005, said on Twitter: "A privilege to be appointed new Work & Pensions Secretary this morning.
"Looking forward to working with my new team."

In his Budget on Wednesday, Chancellor George Osborne said the government would be spending an extra £1bn on the disability budget but changes to benefits announced a few days earlier had suggested the government would save £4.4bn on this by 2020-21.
They included changes to Personal Independence Payments (PIP), due to replace Disability Living Allowance (DLA) in January 2017, that were expected to save £1.3bn a year, but sparked an outcry from opposition parties and some Tory MPs.
But on Friday, before Mr Duncan Smith resigned, a government source had said the planned changes would be "kicked into the long grass".

Baroness Stroud, who worked with Mr Duncan Smith at the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) and now heads the Centre for Social Justice think tank, which he founded, told the BBC: "He always used to say to me, 'I'm here in order to deliver reform and to protect the poorest'.
"Yesterday he felt that he could no longer protect the poorest... This is a step too far."
Conservative MP Bernard Jenkin, an ally of Mr Duncan Smith, said: "A lot of colleagues will be extremely annoyed at this explosion but they will not be surprised.
"I think the high-handed and short-termist political approach that the chancellor has tended to take to the management of other departmental budgets has tested the patience of more than one minister."

But another Conservative MP, Stephen McPartland, said on his website he would "not be shedding any tears for the evangelical, aggressive and routinely failing welfare reforms that were the personal fiefdom" of Mr Duncan Smith.
"I don't always see eye to eye with the Treasury, but it is disingenuous to blame them," he said.

Commons Leader Chris Grayling told the BBC Mr Duncan Smith had done "some really good work" on welfare reform and he was "surprised" and "very sorry" to see him go.
Asked if this was really about Europe, Mr Grayling - who like Mr Duncan Smith is campaigning for the UK to quit the EU, in oppositon to the prime minister - said: "I don't think this makes any difference at all to the referendum campaign."
Sources close to Mr Duncan Smith also say his resignation was not about Europe.

Labour MP Frank Field, who chairs the Commons work and pensions committee, said: "Behind this is a much, much bigger drama... What he crucially cared about was the balance of resources going to families and children and older people.
"The pensioner element, the biggest part of the Budget, was safeguarded and in fact increased... all these cuts were on people of working age and it's this point that Iain thinks the social contract between generations is being broken."
In his resignation letter, Mr Duncan Smith said: "I have for some time and rather reluctantly come to believe that the latest changes to benefits to the disabled and the context in which they've been made are a compromise too far.
"While they are defensible in narrow terms, given the continuing deficit, they are not defensible in the way they were placed within a Budget that benefits higher earning taxpayers."

Replying to Mr Duncan Smith, Mr Cameron said there had been collective agreement between "you, No 10 and the Treasury" that "the increased resources being spent on disabled people should be properly managed and focused on those who need it most".
"[On Friday] we agreed not to proceed with the policies in their current form and instead to work together to get these policies right over the coming months.
"In the light of this, I am puzzled and disappointed that you have chosen to resign."
Guto Bebb becomes under secretary of state at the Wales office, replacing Mr Cairns, the MP for Vale of Glamorgan.
 
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What are the odds for a Tory breakup after the referendum? Oh how they'd regret not putting voting reform in then.

In a previous thread after last year's General Election I said the referendum would lead to the rending asunder of the Conservative Party, regardless of the result, although a 'leave' would make it sooner rather than later. I also thought then , and do so now, that the fixed-term won't last til 2020 and there'll be another General Election in 2017, or 2018 at the latest. I've no reason to resile on any of that, though no-one seemed to agree with me at the time.
 

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In a previous thread after last year's General Election I said the referendum would lead to the rending asunder of the Conservative Party, regardless of the result, although a 'leave' would make it sooner rather than later. I also thought then , and do so now, that the fixed-term won't last til 2020 and there'll be another General Election in 2017, or 2018 at the latest. I've no reason to resile on any of that, though no-one seemed to agree with me at the time.

If that does happen and Labour can hammer home the message, VOTE SNP get tories then we could be back to another coalition.

I believe its possible but the timing of the vote of no conference has to be right.
 

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In a previous thread after last year's General Election I said the referendum would lead to the rending asunder of the Conservative Party, regardless of the result, although a 'leave' would make it sooner rather than later. I also thought then , and do so now, that the fixed-term won't last til 2020 and there'll be another General Election in 2017, or 2018 at the latest. I've no reason to resile on any of that, though no-one seemed to agree with me at the time.

The next task is to remove the liability that Jeremy Hunt is rapidly becoming. All of these treasury-led cost-cutting exercises will become convenient embarassments for 'outers' to use pretend that they are on the side of the rest of the population.
 

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If that does happen and Labour can hammer home the message, VOTE SNP get tories then we could be back to another coalition.

I believe its possible but the timing of the vote of no conference has to be right.

What's a vote of no conference ?
 
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