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Ayayoyo

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Which is the cheapest & fastest railway station lines to go from leagrave railway station to Tonbridge railway station??
& how much is price daily for return trip ( monthly budget for this how much )?..Which railway card referring to which railway lines can give me a discount on this daily going return trip as I am not from the UK & coming soon for work ? So can someone guide me please ???
 
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I hope you are not doing that every day, it's a 1h50 to 2h10 trip one way, changing at London Bridge

Fare for a Anytime (so every train even in the peaks 0630-0930 and 1630-1900) return is £54.40, off-peak returns are £41.20

You can save with splitting but the above is the official fare

There are no season tickets between the two stations, so you would need two different season tickets to cover the trip, which is gonna be massively expensive

A Leagrave to London without a TravelCard is £131/month and a London to Tonbridge is either £402.50 or £510 depending how restrictive it is (the more restrictive the cheaper)
 
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Is there a particular reason you want to base yourself in Leagrave? It may be cheaper to base yourself further in Kent away from London. Tonbridge is probably one of the more expensive places to live, but Ashford may be cheaper.
 

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A Leagrave to London without a TravelCard is £131/month and a London to Tonbridge is either £402.50 or £510 depending how restrictive it is (the more restrictive the cheaper)
That's the price for a weekly. The price for a monthly season ticket from Leagrave to London Bridge (to connect with Tonbridge services) is £503.10. The only season ticket that is worthwhile between London Bridge and Tonbridge is the £510.00 one. This is valid on the fast, frequent direct trains. The £402.50 one is only valid via Redhill; you would need to change there, the service is only hourly, the connections are poor / risky, and the journey time would be about double on average.
 

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From Leagrave to London there is only one reasonable route, which is Thameslink to London St Pancras (40min). From St Pancras to Tonbridge, the most reasonable route is to stay on the Thameslink train to London Bridge (+16min) and change for Southeastern to Tonbridge (33min). There are alternative routes via Redhill (sometimes cheaper) or via Ashford International (sometimes more expensive), but both take around 30 minutes longer, so I assume you will not use them.

An Anytime Day Return costs £54.40. If your morning train arrives St Pancras after 10.00, then you can instead use an Off-Peak Day Return for £39.90. These tickets can be discounted by 33% if you can purchase a suitable railcard that you are eligible for. For example, the 16-25 Railcard, 26-30 Railcard and Disabled Person's Railcard apply to both tickets. The Senior Railcard (age 60+) applies to the Off-Peak Day Return, while the Network Railcard (available to everyone) applies to journeys starting after 10.00.

If you travel in the morning peak nearly 5 times a week and cannot apply a railcard discount, then a Season Ticket is your best bet. Season Ticket prices are based on a weekly price, with a monthly costing 3.84 times that and an annual costing 40 times that. Your question inspired a thread discussing the more general issue of cross-London Season Tickets, in which the following information was posted which is relevant to you:
It's rather arbitrary which journeys have season tickets. But for journeys across London for which there is no through season ticket, there is internal staff guidance which sets out how a through season can be priced and sold.

The cost is calculated as the sum of an "outboundary" Travelcard seasons from both stations to London Zones 1-6, minus the cost of an "inboundary" Zones 1-6 Travelcard.

In the case of a LEA to TON journey the calculation for a weekly season would be £164.90 plus £154.50 less £78, so a total of £241.40. Obviously this is only slightly less than a daily though ticket, so you have to be consistently commuting 5 days a week (and perhaps going into London on the weekend) to make it worthwhile.
Since a Season Ticket allows for unlimited use in its area of validity, this custom-made Season Ticket for £241.40/week (£927.00/month) allows you unlimited travel between Leagrave, London, and Tonbridge, including unlimited use of London Underground, Overground and (almost all) National Rail services throughout London Zones 1-6, and all London Buses and Trams.

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There's perhaps an argument here that there should be a (cheaper) through ticket routed 'not Underground'.
inspired me to look for shorter cross-London journeys which do have a "not Underground"-style restriction, and I found the following combination:
Leagrave - Knockholt (Route: Via City Thameslink) £137.00/week (£526.10/month)
Knockholt - Tonbridge (Route: Any Permitted) £73.00/week (£280.40/month)
Total: £210.00/week (£804.50/month).

Using a combination of tickets to make your journey is referred to as "split ticketing", and this combination is covered by condition 14.3 of the National Rail Conditions of Travel: "[...] if you are using a Season Ticket [...] in conjunction with another ticket and the last station at which one Ticket is valid and the first station that the other Ticket is valid are the same, then the train does not need to Call at that station for your combination to be valid." This means that you have to pass through City Thameslink (which basically means crossing London using Thameslink rather than Underground) and Knockholt (which lies on the route of the direct train from London Bridge to Tonbridge), but the train doesn't need to stop there. I'll leave it to someone more familiar with the service patterns to comment on whether having to pass through City Thameslink and Knockholt are significant restrictions.

This saves you £31.40/week compared with the £241.40/week custom-made Leagrave - Tonbridge Season Ticket, but you do lose out on unlimited travel in London Zones 1-6. Instead, roughly speaking, you only have unlimited travel betwen Leagrave and London St Pancras, on the Thameslink route between London St Pancras and London Blackfriars, between London Blackfriars and Knockholt, and between Knockholt and Tonbridge.

If you want to use weekly Season Tickets then note that the Knockholt-Tonbridge weekly Season Ticket costs exactly the same as 5x Anytime Day Returns at £14.60, so you're better off buying those Anytime Day Returns every morning, so that you don't waste the money if you decide not to go for any reason. However, if you do this then you have to make sure you never forget to buy the ticket when you go, or else you may be charged a penalty fare or even prosecuted if caught without the ticket.
 

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inspired me to look for shorter cross-London journeys which do have a "not Underground"-style restriction, and I found the following combination:
Leagrave - Knockholt (Route: Via City Thameslink) £137.00/week (£526.10/month)
Knockholt - Tonbridge (Route: Any Permitted) £73.00/week (£280.40/month)
Total: £210.00/week (£804.50/month).
A Travelcard from Leagrave and a Season Knockholt-Tonbridge comes in at £237 slightly undercutting the conventional calculation.
I'll leave it to someone more familiar with the service patterns to comment on whether having to pass through City Thameslink and Knockholt are significant restrictions.
City TL - not really, unless there is disruption when acceptance on the Tube would be arranged anyway.
Knockholt, not really: all scheduled trains pass through; the route via Redhill and Croydon might be of some use, that via Otford less so but it is the route of the Blackfriars-Sevenoaks service which the OP would need to avoid.
(If I lived in Tonbridge and commuted to Leagrave, that would change my view!)
 

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I hope you are not doing that every day, it's a 1h50 to 2h10 trip one way, changing at London Bridge

Fare for a Anytime (so every train even in the peaks 0630-0930 and 1630-1900) return is £54.40, off-peak returns are £41.20

You can save with splitting but the above is the official fare

There are no season tickets between the two stations, so you would need two different season tickets to cover the trip, which is gonna be massively expensive

A Leagrave to London without a TravelCard is £131/month and a London to Tonbridge is either £402.50 or £510 depending how restrictive it is (the more restrictive the cheaper)
Thank you so much for your reply & your help .
It seems that london is near to Tonbridge so whats the cheapest way to go from Luton to London??
is it cheaper & faster to go by train or bus or underground ? & how much will it cost ? & which train station in London is the nearest to Tonbridge with cheap tickets ??

Actually I am supposed to go work daily in Tonbridge from Luton so please would you tell me the cheapest & fastest way to do that daily as I was unable to find a cheap home in Tonbridge so is there a card that I can make that can help me to go from Luton to tonbridge & return from Tonbridge to Luton cheaply & rapidly train or bus or underground ?? I am a working professional 31 yrs age. So will the railway card of 26to 30 yrs age suit me or which card will suit me to take discount on train trips daily ??
 

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It seems that london is near to Tonbridge
Have you considered looking at a map?

I wouldn't call Tonbridge "near" London, personally. It's well outside it and within the Kent commuter belt.

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is it cheaper & faster to go by train or bus or underground ?
Considering neither Luton or Tonbridge are close to the Underground, that would be a long shot.

If you left Luton at 6am, you'd get to Tonbridge around 1pm. I don't think you'd like to do 7 hours on buses, and I also doubt that work get you there in time.
& how much will it cost ?
People have already answered this for Leagrave, and I'm confident that prices from Luton would be extremely similar.
& which train station in London is the nearest to Tonbridge with cheap tickets ??
What are you describing as "in London"? Are you looking at places to live and currently browsing Luton and Leagrave? Are you asking for suggestions of different places closer to London to stay in while working?
 

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Actually I am supposed to go work daily in Tonbridge from Luton so please would you tell me the cheapest & fastest way to do that daily as I was unable to find a cheap home in Tonbridge
I fear you will end up spending significantly more on the railway travel than you would have done for a place to live in Tonbridge.

As others have suggested, I would consider looking at places south of London, such as Ashford, Sevenoaks or Maidstone.
 

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Thank you so much for your reply & your help .

Actually I am supposed to go work daily in Tonbridge from Luton so please would you tell me the cheapest & fastest way to do that daily as I was unable to find a cheap home in Tonbridge so is there a card that I can make that can help me to go from Luton to tonbridge & return from Tonbridge to Luton cheaply & rapidly train or bus or underground ??
The best solution will be a season ticket or travelcard as described for Leagrave, and the fares are exactly the same.
I am a working professional 31 yrs age. So will the railway card of 26to 30 yrs age suit me or which card will suit me to take discount on train trips daily ??
Obvious the 26-30 card is not available to you.
There is no discount card for one solo traveller aged over 30 and under 60, you have to pay the base ("Anytime") fare or the discounted Season/Travelcard rate.
 

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There is no discount card for one solo traveller aged over 30 and under 60, you have to pay the base ("Anytime") fare or the discounted Season/Travelcard rate.
There is, of course, the Network Railcard, but likely this wouldn't save any money on 'there and back the same day' journeys between Leagrave and Tonbridge, other than on weekends and bank holidays.
 

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There is, of course, the Network Railcard, but likely this wouldn't save any money on 'there and back the same day' journeys between Leagrave and Tonbridge, other than on weekends and bank holidays.
Yes, I forgot that. Unless the OP can always travel after the rush hour, which I doubt.
 

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I really do think the OP needs to reconsider where they are planning to live if their work is in Tonbridge.

If we use the example worked out above:
inspired me to look for shorter cross-London journeys which do have a "not Underground"-style restriction, and I found the following combination:
Leagrave - Knockholt (Route: Via City Thameslink) £137.00/week (£526.10/month)
Knockholt - Tonbridge (Route: Any Permitted) £73.00/week (£280.40/month)
Total: £210.00/week (£804.50/month).

Giving a travel cost of £804.50 per month it is perhaps illustrative to quickly compare with what's on offer in the locality of Tonbridge itself.

For instance in the village of Marden (fifteen minutes from Tonbridge by train with two trains per hour from very early in the morning until just before midnight) currently has a two bedroom flat going for £900pm and a monthly season ticket from Marden to Tonbridge is £156pm. So for a total of £1,056pm that's your travel and accommodation as well as a much easier commute taking fifteen minutes rather than an hour and three quarters. Whilst it looks like there are one bedroom flats going for around £900 per month in Leagrave so your travel and accommodation would be £1,704.50pm.

I really think you might want to spend some time having a look at a map of the area around Tonbridge and considering if Leagrave or Luton actually makes sense when your job is in Tonbridge.
 

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I really do think the OP needs to reconsider where they are planning to live if their work is in Tonbridge.

If we use the example worked out above:


Giving a travel cost of £804.50 per month it is perhaps illustrative to quickly compare with what's on offer in the locality of Tonbridge itself.

For instance in the village of Marden (fifteen minutes from Tonbridge by train with two trains per hour from very early in the morning until just before midnight) currently has a two bedroom flat going for £900pm and a monthly season ticket from Marden to Tonbridge is £156pm. So for a total of £1,056pm that's your travel and accommodation as well as a much easier commute taking fifteen minutes rather than an hour and three quarters. Whilst it looks like there are one bedroom flats going for around £900 per month in Leagrave so your travel and accommodation would be £1,704.50pm.

I really think you might want to spend some time having a look at a map of the area around Tonbridge and considering if Leagrave or Luton actually makes sense when your job is in Tonbridge.
I had been thinking of posting much the same. If Tonbridge is the goal, then live there. It will be cheaper than living elsewhere and commuting. If the OP still wants to do that then also consider places like Hastings / St Leonards (on the sea, cheap accommodation, lots of direct trains all day in about 45 minutes). I live locally to Tonbridge, I would not really want to be going to Lagrave every day (though it's perfectly doable), because of cost mostly.
 

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I really do think the OP needs to reconsider where they are planning to live if their work is in Tonbridge.

If we use the example worked out above:


Giving a travel cost of £804.50 per month it is perhaps illustrative to quickly compare with what's on offer in the locality of Tonbridge itself.

For instance in the village of Marden (fifteen minutes from Tonbridge by train with two trains per hour from very early in the morning until just before midnight) currently has a two bedroom flat going for £900pm and a monthly season ticket from Marden to Tonbridge is £156pm. So for a total of £1,056pm that's your travel and accommodation as well as a much easier commute taking fifteen minutes rather than an hour and three quarters. Whilst it looks like there are one bedroom flats going for around £900 per month in Leagrave so your travel and accommodation would be £1,704.50pm.

I really think you might want to spend some time having a look at a map of the area around Tonbridge and considering if Leagrave or Luton actually makes sense when your job is in Tonbridge.

I think the problem is that, these days, many people don't literally look at a map!! They expect to be told what to do (by machines or people), rather than laying the information out in front of them and using their brain...

In this case, it's clearly absurd to spend thousands of pounds a year (as well as hours every day) on a very lengthy commute, to save a much smaller amount on accommodation costs. Unless there's a reason we haven't been told for needing to live around Luton?! All very puzzling. As has been said, there are places with accommodation prices similar to Luton which are much closer to Tonbridge.
 
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