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Looking to book a return ticket for Hull - Reading.

28th February Hull to Reading (leaving anytime afternoon)

2nd March Reading to Hull (Leaving Reading 17.00)

Any advice, please?
 
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Looking to book a return ticket for Hull - Reading.

28th February Hull to Reading (leaving anytime afternoon)

2nd March Reading to Hull (Leaving Reading 17.00)

Any advice, please?
What have you found so far?

Trainsplit has advanced options, which you may find useful (eg. exclude a particular operator such as VTEC or Northern).
 

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Only what was on TrainSplit...

The journey from Hull to Reading is fine but the journey back seems restricted in the times for the train from London to Hull...
 
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Are you wanting to optimise the itinerary in terms of the travel times, or are you concerned about price?

It's difficult to advise as we don't really know what it is you are wanting.

Note that the 2nd of March is a weekday so the evening services out of King's Cross towards Doncaster and Hull are going to be quite expensive.
 

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The journey from Hull to Reading is fine but the journey back seems restricted in the times for the train from London to Hull...

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try routing via Birmingham
try splitting at Kings Cross. In other words combine Reading to London U1 with Kings Cross to Hull. It's Kings Cross to Hull where you are going to get cheap fares (or not).
 

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Sorry, the information I gave wasn't great! The problem I have is the return from London to Hull. If I miss the 18.50 from Kings Cross the next train is 20.05 and then 20.30? I was wondering if there was any flexibility or way around this as the ticket I looked at was a "super off-peak" and this seemed to have quite a lot of restrictions...
 

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Sorry, the information I gave wasn't great! The problem I have is the return from London to Hull. If I miss the 18.50 from Kings Cross the next train is 20.05 and then 20.30? I was wondering if there was any flexibility or way around this as the ticket I looked at was a "super off-peak" and this seemed to have quite a lot of restrictions...

This ticket perhaps at £ 125.40 without a railcard
http://www.brfares.com/#faredetail?orig=HUL&dest=RDG&grpd=0403&ldn=1&tkt=SSR

Restriction code 1L which says
RETURN TRAVEL

Not valid on trains timed to
depart:
London Terminals (except as shown below) after 02:59 and before 09:06 and after 14:59 and before 18:59 (18:15 on Fridays);

So it wouldn't be valid for the 18:50 (unless you travel on a Friday)

If you split at Kings Cross, there's also a "Hull Trains" only fare with a restriction HD. That allows any service after 17:31.

The 18:50 is a Hull Trains service. You would have to wait to 20:30 for the next one.
 

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Sorry, the information I gave wasn't great! The problem I have is the return from London to Hull. If I miss the 18.50 from Kings Cross the next train is 20.05 and then 20.30? I was wondering if there was any flexibility or way around this as the ticket I looked at was a "super off-peak" and this seemed to have quite a lot of restrictions...
If you miss the 1850, the next journey opportunity is the 2005 (an earlier train could be taken to Doncaster) which gets you into Hull at 2256, which would be a 100% Delay Repay claim for the return leg of your journey. However there is not much benefit to getting the 2005 because the 2030 only gets you in 4 minutes later at 2300.

In general if you have a "Hull Trains Only" fare for any part of your journey, and a delay on GWR cause you to miss it, I would have a word with the relevant train companies (in this case I'd tweet Hull Trains while on the train, and if appropriate, seek assistance on arrival at Paddington if it is definitely obvious you will miss the 1850 and if the queues are not too long; otherwise I'd seek assistance at King's Cross) and see if they can agree for you to be conveyed on VTEC. If this is not agreed it will potentially increase the value of your Delay Repay claim with GWR. In this particular case there is no material benefit as the arrival times are so similar into Hull.

Trainsplit will offer you a combination of tickets as follows
  • Hull to Grantham Advance Single
  • Grantham to Reading Super Off Peak Return
  • Grantham to Hull Advance Single
This combination requires you to take the 1233 from Hull. You can get any train from Paddington to Reading.

On the return you can get any train from Reading to Paddington. TIme restrictions do apply out of King's Cross, but the 1850 is valid. You need to be on the 1850 to validate the Advance from Grantham to Hull, but of course if delays on GWR (or the Underground) cause you to miss it then you can take the 2030 and claim Delay Repay.

Cross London transfer is included.

Total cost is £106.40.
 

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This ticket perhaps at £ 125.40 without a railcard
http://www.brfares.com/#faredetail?orig=HUL&dest=RDG&grpd=0403&ldn=1&tkt=SSR

Restriction code 1L which says


So it wouldn't be valid for the 18:50 (unless you travel on a Friday)

If you split at Kings Cross, there's also a "Hull Trains" only fare with a restriction HD. That allows any service after 17:31.

The 18:50 is a Hull Trains service. You would have to wait to 20:30 for the next one.


There is also through fare routed "Hull Trains and GWR" fare - £114.50, with restriction code HD which says:

http://www.brfares.com/#faredetail?orig=HUL&dest=RDG&grpd=0403&rte=180&ldn=1&tkt=SSR

Mondays-Fridays

OUTWARD TRAVEL

Not valid on Hull Trains southbound services timed to arrive London Kings Cross before 11:30 or northbound services timed to depart London Kings Cross after 14:59 and before 17:31.

RETURN TRAVEL

Not valid on Hull Trains southbound services timed to arrive London Kings Cross before 11:30 or northbound services timed to depart London Kings Cross after 14:59 and before 17:31.

Which I read would be valid on the 1850.
 

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Not wishing to turn this into a negative point specific to any particular TOC but Hull Trains are going through a very rough patch with their trains at the moment. There have been times where they have been down to just 1 of their own trains and 1 on loan in service. The 1850 and 2030 have been cancelled frequently (not necessarily both at the same time) or terminated at Doncaster or Selby. It’s not currently a reliable service at all and I’m not sure how quickly this will be resolved. Some of the replacement concepts have been incredibly poor (GN to Peterborough busses from Peterborough etc) and their delay repay doesn’t pay out a full return on 2hour +. So pleased be aware of this when booking tickets especially with toc restrictions.
 
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