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I don't know if this has been discussed elsewhere here.

On the theme of exporting HSTs abroad...

I have seen postings online of HSTs being exported to Nigeria, I understand to the Lagos Metro Red Line.

Anyone know anymore about what's happening?

 
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The Lagos-city metro was officially-with bombast&all that-opened in febr/march this year, but actual open pax service only started a few weeks ago in sept-just read that in the newest online issue of Modern Tramway (LRTA-magazine).
Best site-mostly german- for info on all heavy metro-and most lighter rail systems in this world: urbanrail.net
 

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The Wikipedia page mentioned has 'Rail Express Magazine no.329' as the source. Does anyone have a copy of this? Can it be confirmed?
The whole page is poorly written so I wouldn't rely on it.
 

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The Wikipedia page mentioned has 'Rail Express Magazine no.329' as the source. Does anyone have a copy of this? Can it be confirmed?
The whole page is poorly written so I wouldn't rely on it.
Page 81 states - 'A further 48 vehicles are set to be exported from Great Yarmouth in the coming weeks with Nigeria athe destination'.
 

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Lagos–Kano was a BRI projeect i belive, would be somee bad optics on the chinese side for Nigeria to be replacing newish CRRC locomotives with 40 year old second hand British ones
 

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Page 81 states - 'A further 48 vehicles are set to be exported from Great Yarmouth in the coming weeks with Nigeria athe destination'.
Well, there you go.

It's difficult to get a good picture of happenings in Nigeria. Things get announced all the time, sometimes money gets transferred / spent but that doesn't mean the scheme actually gets built.

Abuja (Idu) to Kaduna (Rigasa) (185km) has service already.
Kaduna to Kano (203km) is stated to be under construction, commenced December 2021 so will require rolling stock.
Lagos Ebute-Metta (Mobalaji Johnson) to Ibadan (Chief Obafemi Awolowo) (156km) has service already.
Itakpe (Alhaji Adamu Attah) to Warri (Ujevwu / Alfred Rewane) (313km) has service already.

Abuja has a commuter line and an LRT rail line, service comes and goes.
Lagos has a metro with two lines:
Blue Line (27.5km) construction commenced 2009, due to complete 2011, then 2016, 2021, 2022 now August 2023 opening, Test running commenced 2021.
Red Line, construction commenced in 2021, shares alignment in part with the Lagos to Ibadan line. The first phase to be completed by end 2022 or after two years
(both dates mentioned in same press release).
 

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Lagos–Kano was a BRI projeect i belive, would be somee bad optics on the chinese side for Nigeria to be replacing newish CRRC locomotives with 40 year old second hand British ones

There are (or were in 2021) only two trains each way each day between Lagos and Ibadan. Allegedly this is because the Nigerian government wanted most of the rolling stock to be built in Nigeria...which hasn't happened yet.

If they are under pressure to run more trains, buying immediately available surplus stock from abroad would make sense as an interim measure.
 

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Lagos has a metro with two lines:
Blue Line (27.5km) construction commenced 2009, due to complete 2011, then 2016, 2021, 2022 now August 2023 opening, Test running commenced 2021.
They have finally managed to get the metro working with electricity:
 

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2018: CRRC Dalian supplied two diesel locomotives and 7 coaches for Abuja - Kaduna. Reference elsewhere to two batches totalling 15 coaches.
2019: CRRC Tangshan supplied 10 out of an order for 60 (or 64) coaches.
2020: CRRC Qishuyan supplied 21 diesel locomotives / multiple units. Six DF11GN diesel passenger locomotives, nine DF8BN freight locomotives, two DF7GN locomotives, four NDJ3N locomotives (actually 2 power cars and 7 intermediate vehicles each - sounds like an HST formation!).

They have finally managed to get the metro working with electricity:
With the following warning:
The Lagos State Governor, Babajide Sanwo-Olu, has warned Lagosians that the Blue Rail Line tracks are not a marketplace.
Warning against nefarious activities around the rail tracks, the governor stated: “Please do not attempt to access the rail tracks for any nefarious or otherwise activities and it bears repeating that the train tracks are not a marketplace.”

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There are (or were in 2021) only two trains each way each day between Lagos and Ibadan. Allegedly this is because the Nigerian government wanted most of the rolling stock to be built in Nigeria...which hasn't happened yet.

If they are under pressure to run more trains, buying immediately available surplus stock from abroad would make sense as an interim measure.
Boosted to three per day in September 2021 - 2 ordinary and 1 dmu.

The pressure will be on finding trains for the Red Line Metro - for which the two TALGO sets were bought. HST's as commuter trains too?

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Having watched the video linked by @stuu, the same person has done a feature on the Red Line Mass Transit. It shows the Talgo units (presumably being readied for service) and refers to a new Apapa-Ijoko-Kajola Mass Transit Train Service (Apapa-Kajola MTTS). This is confirmed by many local press articles.

Until fairly recently there were three commuter trains into Lagos Iddo station (the main terminus) and three into Lagos Apapa (a separate station in the port area), both on the narrow gauge line. On the new standard gauge railway a new station has been built in Apapa (Bola Ahmed Tinubu) (6°27'07.9"N 3°22'09.5"E) but not at Iddo (6°28'13.4"N 3°22'56.2"E), the nearest being at the junction of the port line and the main line 3 or so km out.

Putting two and two together the Talgo units will perhaps be used for a service/s into Apapa in the morning and a return in the evening. Rather than an intensive all-day service.

This is the title of the Youtube clip:

New Rail Mass Transit Set To Begin Operations On The Lagos Redline Rail Corridor​


From the same Youtube channel, here is a screen capture of the old commuter service on the narrow gauge.
Screenshot Lagos Redline Rail Project Transformation Of The Ikeja Train Station In 2 Years.png
Screenshot Lagos Redline Rail Project Transformation Of The Ikeja Train Station In 2 Years.
Description: the picture shows an American or BR class 58 style locomotive where the side walkways are full of standing passengers. Gotta love it haven't you. :D
 
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Well, there you go.

It's difficult to get a good picture of happenings in Nigeria. Things get announced all the time, sometimes money gets transferred / spent but that doesn't mean the scheme actually gets built.

Abuja (Idu) to Kaduna (Rigasa) (185km) has service already.
Kaduna to Kano (203km) is stated to be under construction, commenced December 2021 so will require rolling stock.
Lagos Ebute-Metta (Mobalaji Johnson) to Ibadan (Chief Obafemi Awolowo) (156km) has service already.
Itakpe (Alhaji Adamu Attah) to Warri (Ujevwu / Alfred Rewane) (313km) has service already.

Abuja has a commuter line and an LRT rail line, service comes and goes.
Lagos has a metro with two lines:
Blue Line (27.5km) construction commenced 2009, due to complete 2011, then 2016, 2021, 2022 now August 2023 opening, Test running commenced 2021.
Red Line, construction commenced in 2021, shares alignment in part with the Lagos to Ibadan line. The first phase to be completed by end 2022 or after two years
(both dates mentioned in same press release).

As soon as I saw Kaduna I thought of Usman Umar off 90 day fiance!

I am sure someone from this site will eventually ride the HSTs in Nigeria and Mexico.
 

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As soon as I saw Kaduna I thought of Usman Umar off 90 day fiance!

I am sure someone from this site will eventually ride the HSTs in Nigeria and Mexico.
Even better if there was someone on the site who goes out to commission them.
 

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It has been clear for some time now since HST export started that Mexico was not the only destination for these trains abroad.
I thought it would be worth it to have a specific thread for the equipment going to Nigeria, as there is already a Mexico-specific thread.
If anyone has any specific information on which 43s and Mk3s are headed to Nigeria, it would be appreciated to post it here.
 

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It has been clear for some time now since HST export started that Mexico was not the only destination for these trains abroad.
I thought it would be worth it to have a specific thread for the equipment going to Nigeria, as there is already a Mexico-specific thread.
If anyone has any specific information on which 43s and Mk3s are headed to Nigeria, it would be appreciated to post it here.
"Train enthusiasts gathered to see the InterCity 125 cars and carriages taken through the town with a police escort and loaded at the Norfolk port.
James Crosswell, from Peel Ports Great Yarmouth, said: “This is our second shipment of trains leaving out of Great Yarmouth.
“It proves what, as a port, we can achieve here."
Apart from a rail connection, obviously!
 

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According to the Wikipedia Class 43 page, itself based on "Railways Illustrated. No. 251. January 2024. p. 19".
Ten power cars 'exported to Nigeria': 43008-43010, 43016, 43040, 43172, 43184, 43192, 43239, 43304, 43366.
The table says a total of ten, the above numbers give 11, that's Wikipedia for you. I haven't got the magazine so cannot comment on or correct the information
 

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According to the Wikipedia Class 43 page, itself based on "Railways Illustrated. No. 251. January 2024. p. 19".
Ten power cars 'exported to Nigeria': 43008-43010, 43016, 43040, 43172, 43184, 43192, 43239, 43304, 43366.
The table says a total of ten, the above numbers give 11, that's Wikipedia for you. I haven't got the magazine so cannot comment on or correct the information
It's definitely that list of 11. The Nigeria shipment was of 11 power cars and 11 trailers.
 

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Are they going to be used as trains in Nigeria? Perish the thought that a Nigerian recycling company offered a better price than a British scrap company! It's strange there's no more specific news leaking out.
 

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That seems an odd ratio of power cars to trailers; are more due to go that way?
Super-Power DMU. 8-)
5 sets, 2+2 formation with one spare power car and one spare trailer car?

No, the Rail Express article mentioned earlier refers to 48 HST vehicles being exported to Nigeria.

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Are they going to be used as trains in Nigeria? Perish the thought that a Nigerian recycling company offered a better price than a British scrap company! It's strange there's no more specific news leaking out.
Strange indeed, given the tendency in Nigeria to massively over-announce things, repeat multiple times, without anything actually happening.

My guess is commuter trains for the Lagos Red Line, as per the 'equally suitable' Talgo sets. One alternative would be the Kano - Niger line being built by Moto-Engil.
 
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I had wondered if perhaps the plan was to use the powercars with the American Talgo sets. It'd certainly explain why so many of them have gone out there compared to Mark 3s.
 

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Does "trailers" mean unpowered cab cars? I.e. 11 pairs of cab cars, one powered and one unpowered.
No, it means the intermediate coaches. A “trailer” is a vehicle with no engine or motors; a cab car would be a “driving trailer” in U.K. terminology.
 

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I had wondered if perhaps the plan was to use the powercars with the American Talgo sets. It'd certainly explain why so many of them have gone out there compared to Mark 3s.
No, the Talgo come complete, see picture!

The stated 48 cars could work out as five sets of 2+7 with three spare power cars, 13 powers cars being based on a comment elsewhere.

Screenshot Lagos Redline Metro – First metro infrastructure limited.png
Picture shows a Talgo driving car being unloaded by crane at what appears to be Lagos Ebute-Metta / Mobalaji Johnson station.
 

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No, the Talgo come complete, see picture!

The stated 48 cars could work out as five sets of 2+7 with three spare power cars, 13 powers cars being based on a comment elsewhere.

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Picture shows a Talgo driving car being unloaded by crane at what appears to be Lagos Ebute-Metta / Mobalaji Johnson station.
But that Talgo vehicle is unpowered, the engine in it is for on-board electrics.
 

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But that Talgo vehicle is unpowered, the engine in it is for on-board electrics.
Fair enough, not my bag, I just assumed a Talgo set was the whole thing, perhaps the salesman pulled a fast one there! Anyone got a bridge for sale, willing buyer.
I just looked carefully at the Talgo Series 8 picture on Wikipedia and, indeed, there is a big lump just visible at the far end.
 

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The Talgo sets presumably have AAR multiple working, so they would work with any North American diesel locomotive.

I hope that it's not too much off-topic, but this article from January 2022 explains the history of these sets.


After more than a decade and a twisted legal saga, Talgo has found a buyer for its trainsets originally built for a high-speed rail line between Chicago, Milwaukee, Madison and the Twin Cities.

The Spanish train manufacturer will sell the two Milwaukee-made trains to the Nigerian government.

In 2010, Governor-elect Scott Walker refused a $823 million federal grant to build the high-speed Hiawatha extension, but the state was still on the hook to pay for the trainsets ordered by Governor Jim Doyle. Rather than invest in a maintenance facility to put them into use on the existing line, Walker and the Republican-controlled Wisconsin Legislature had the state default on the contract.

Wisconsin ultimately settled with Talgo, a move that cost the state $59 million and allowed the manufacturer to maintain ownership of the equipment.
 

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The Talgo sets presumably have AAR multiple working, so they would work with any North American diesel locomotive.

I hope that it's not too much off-topic, but this article from January 2022 explains the history of these sets.

An unbelievable story to boot. Having the state default makes America look like a third world country.
 
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