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HS2: Should it have been a single tunnel?

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Eh? So a completely remodelled Rugby, improved speeds and signalling was catching up on maintenance?
Rugby remodelling was a success story. But HS2 claimed the flyover at the west end of Rugby was "life expired", a two-word term that engineers like. It's still in daily use so cannot be life expired. How can we trust anything they say?
 
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Rugby remodelling was a success story. But HS2 claimed the flyover at the west end of Rugby was "life expired", a two-word term that engineers like. It's still in daily use so cannot be life expired. How can we trust anything they say?
I dont get what that has to do with the rest of the work adding HS2 to the WCML would entail. Its a tiny part of it. Who is to say that the structure won't have to be replaced or have heavy refurbishment in the near to medium future done by NR?
 

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But HS2 claimed the flyover at the west end of Rugby was "life expired", a two-word term that engineers like. It's still in daily use so cannot be life expired. How can we trust anything they say?

Did they? When? I seem to remember WCRM claiming that. Anyway, even if HS2 did say it, people sometimes get things wrong. Unless you think everyone should be correct 100% of the time, in which case…

Where new tracks were added in the Trent valley, the work went smoothly without disrupting the existing tracks.

…This is patently not correct.
 
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Rugby remodelling was a success story. But HS2 claimed the flyover at the west end of Rugby was "life expired", a two-word term that engineers like. It's still in daily use so cannot be life expired. How can we trust anything they say?
Source?
 

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My mistake. It was Net Rail who claimed in the noughties that the Rugby flyover was "life-expired". I can't find the source but Bald Rick appears to agree. I should qualify what I mean by Rugby remodelling being a success story. I.I r.c. (it was about 20 years ago) Rugby was late and over budget as rail projects generally are, but the plan was changed to one that allowed quicker completion at less cost and less disruption and allowed higher train speeds. It's that aspect that I regard as a success. I'd be amused if someone from the rail industry put forward a counter-argument that Rugby remodelling was a failure. So I'd like to pose a question, and I'm sorry this is off-topic: what's the proposal for renovating or replacing the 1960's Rugby flyover?
 

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My mistake. It was Net Rail who claimed in the noughties that the Rugby flyover was "life-expired". I can't find the source but Bald Rick appears to agree. I should qualify what I mean by Rugby remodelling being a success story. I.I r.c. (it was about 20 years ago) Rugby was late and over budget as rail projects generally are, but the plan was changed to one that allowed quicker completion at less cost and less disruption and allowed higher train speeds. It's that aspect that I regard as a success. I'd be amused if someone from the rail industry put forward a counter-argument that Rugby remodelling was a failure. So I'd like to pose a question, and I'm sorry this is off-topic: what's the proposal for renovating or replacing the 1960's Rugby flyover?
There isn't one yet. It is being dealt with via normal maintenance. That isn't to say there isn't a longer term plan for it.
 

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12LDA28C - no I don't. The West Coast Route Modernisation in the noughties was largely about catching up on maintenance on existing tracks. Where new tracks were added in the Trent valley, the work went smoothly without disrupting the existing tracks.​

No, four completely new tracks were laid to replace the existing two. I should know, I had to model the noise from each of them.
 

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No, four completely new tracks were laid to replace the existing two. I should know, I had to model the noise from each of them.
OK, I was told that work on new tracks progressed while trains ran on the existing adjacent tracks with only a plastic curtain fence between them. NB I left the rail industry in 1963 so what do I know?
 

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OK, I was told that work on new tracks progressed while trains ran on the existing adjacent tracks with only a plastic curtain fence between them. NB I left the rail industry in 1963 so what do I know?
I'm sure once the central tracks were laid then they would be used whilst work continued on the remaining ones.
 
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