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In the picture below, HS2 was proposed to approach Leeds station from the south (Grey line). Why didn't they propose to follow the green line? There's a car park there they could have built over. Am I missing something stupidly obvious?
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Elevation change, for one, if your green line is going over the red lines at Holbeck Triangle.

Those car parks (surface and multi-storey) would have to be relocated - there's no-where else to do that, and the site is already pretty cramped and hemmed in. The new line to the T-station (running just past the site of the original Midland station) would offer relief to the existing station site.
 

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Elevation change, for one, if your green line is going over the red lines at Holbeck Triangle.

Those car parks (surface and multi-storey) would have to be relocated - there's no-where else to do that, and the site is already pretty cramped and hemmed in. The new line to the T-station (running just past the site of the original Midland station) would offer relief to the existing station site.
Thank you. Is it proposed to be underground?
 

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Was Leeds expected to have (straight) 400-metre platforms?
If so, looks like space might be a bit tight for the ‘green option’.
 

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It’s about 50% shorter, partly on an old alignment. And whilst the area the route would cross is built-up, it’s pretty run down, mostly occupied by an old gas works and a mediocre business park that’s quite dated and would be due for redevelopment by the time the station would have been built - all that land that isn’t required for the station will then increase in value and undergo regeneration off the back of it, it’s council policy to try and regenerate the area south of the Aire. The old Tetley brewery site is also not far away and would have stood to benefit. When that site was cleared it was given some short-term tenants, obviously waiting for the price to rise off the back of HS2.

I do remember the property board selling off the small strip of railway land going under one of the still existent bridges that led to the old goods depot about 20 years ago. Given the nature and access to the land it went for a pittance but as a result someone will have themselves a very valuable ransom strip!
 

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.... and the grey route is largely that of the Middleton Railway, so the oldest would have become the newest.

There's prescience for you.

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Any west to east layout for the HS2 would need to be to the south of the station, not the north.

The width of the car park isn't sufficient for the number of platforms that were planned, and the area is also need for platforms to accommodate future TRU/NPR growth. You'd also be putting a massive structure

As mentioned, that curve is far too tight, plus it crosses over an already congested series of junctions. At least part of that area would be built over the dark arches so hugely significant strengthening works would be needed. Parts of the dark arches and that area are used by the adjacent hotel, and the NR owned arches are ripe for commercialisation and improved entrance and egress from the station.

The area is also the main pick up and drop off for the station (and is already subpar and needs replacing), building more track onto there simply exacerbates the issue.

Interestingly the David Higgins report on HS2 station options for Leeds had an option for a station on the E-W axis to the south of the station, but with trains approaching from the east rather than the west, I assume for the reasons mentioned above - one of the drawbacks mentioned for this is the difficultly in approaching from the east as it impacts alot of heritage assets in the city plus employment land to the east. And any E-W aligned station would preclude any further expansion of the station for existing services in the future.

A t-shaped station, although preventing through services for HS2, would mean a more straightforward approach, provide better integration for the station into the city (Leeds station is very constrained due to it's location) and would not compromise the existing entrances and their capacity.
 

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.... and the grey route is largely that of the Middleton Railway, so the oldest would have become the newest.

There's prescience for you.

WAO
That’s also a likely constraint due to a need to protect or document heritage.
 

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That’s also a likely constraint due to a need to protect or document heritage.
Highly unlikely. There is nothing left of the Middleton line in that area of town. You can just about make out the route on aerial photos, but the railway itself is long gone.

This Youtube video goes along the trace of the line towards the city centre:
 
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