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Some details of station piling have been released, and 4 test piles done which are being monitored
Early piling work for the Euston station is expected start in Q1 of this year. This programme of approximately 500 piles will take around two years to complete, followed by another three years of piling to finish the total 1,600 piles on site.
The HS2 station will be set across three levels, with ten 450m long subsurface platforms. The ground-level concourse will be 300m long and will allow free movement for both passengers and visitors through the station and will open out onto new public spaces at the north and south. The station hall is set to become the largest station concourse in the UK.

The design has reduced the ticketed area of the station by placing platforms and trains below ground, so the station hall can function as a public, sheltered north-south route linking Euston Road and Bloomsbury to Hampstead Road and Camden Town.
On the face of it, 5 years and 1600 piles seems a lot for a 3 level building that is dug into the ground so not on uncompacted soil. Unless there is going to be massive tower blocks over it, seems like it is being built like a nuclear bunker. Didn't Broadgate and all the bits over Liverpool Street get built in about 3-4 years.

HS2 Ltd revealed new images of its Euston station design at the end of last year, updated from 2015. The Department for Transport had previously revealed that "significant elements" of the original design work on the station "can no longer be used" after the decision was taken for the station to be scaled back from 11 to 10 platforms, as reported by GE’s sister title NCE.

According to HS2 Ltd, the new designs are based on a "less complex, more efficient" ten platform station that can be built in a single stage.
Is it just me, or is this just seem to be over complicated design, from the lets make it very expensive to build school of architecture

 
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They are expecting it to have major over-site development, so that explains the piling - they are visible in the renders, although greyed out

As for the design, it seems to use lots of repeated elements which may well be prefabricated off-site so shouldn't be too costly to build
 
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National Audit Office have an imminent report into the state of play with development and delivery of Euston HS2 looking at

  • the Department for Transport, High Speed 2 Ltd and Network Rail’s progress in the delivery of Euston Station to date
  • the steps the Department for Transport, High Speed 2 Ltd and Network Rail have taken to ensure that they can deliver value for money through their chosen option for the redesign of Euston station
  • whether DfT and HS2 Ltd are set up to manage the risks in their delivery of Euston Station
 

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Update on works taking place at Euston over Easter

Works in Euston Throat area
We will install hoarding at track-level between our worksite and the railway and continue works to clear the surface of Granby Terrace bridge.
You will be able to see us working on Granby Terrace bridge during the day and night. There may be periods of increased noise as we remove the surface of the bridge. We will take measures to limit the impact of noise, dust and site lighting and will monitor the works closely to ensure we are operating within noise limits. For more information please see our previous notice ‘Upcoming works on Granby Terrace bridge' (Feb).
We will also remove the storage containers next to our main site office. We will use a crane to load them on the back of lorries and remove them via Harrington Street. We do not expect these works to be noisy.

Works in Camden Cutting area
You may notice periods of increased noise from the piling rig and excavator.
We will monitor our works closely to ensure we are operating within approved noise and vibration limits, particularly when working at night.

 

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Not sure whether I should use this mini-thread or the HS2 delays thread.

The Public Accounts Committee's report on HS2 Euston is due out today Friday. The text doesn't seem to be online yet but the Guardian seems to have seen it.


The estimated £4.8bn cost of HS2’s endangered Euston terminus could balloon further unless the government becomes “clear what it is trying to achieve”, the public accounts committee has warned.

In a highly critical report, MPs on the committee said the Department for Transport (DfT) was yet to “establish the design and expectations for the station” against what it was “willing to spend”, despite spending more than eight years planning and designing the London terminus.

The original 11-platform plan was scaled back and original designs abandoned after a review of the high-speed rail network’s costs in 2020, but still far exceeded the £2.6bn budget, which the report criticised as “completely unrealistic”.

The transport secretary, Mark Harper, paused construction of the Euston site along with other parts of HS2 in March this year as the estimates surged. Yet the committee found the government did not know how much additional cost the decision would entail, nor the impact on the local area, with work still to be done to make the site safe and potentially useable until construction resumes.

Under the latest plans, high-speed trains will terminate at a new Oak Old Common interchange with Crossrail in west London when they start operating from Birmingham. Services will only be coming into Euston if and when the new line reaches Manchester in 2040.

The committee also questioned the accuracy of ministers’ six-monthly updates to parliament. It noted that the potential overspend at Euston was put at £400m in October 2020, a sum not altered in subsequent updates through to October 2022 – despite proving less than 20% of the figure the National Audit Office reported five months later in March. The committee called on the DfT to provide greater transparency in its calculations.

MPs said questions remainedabout how the government would manage high levels of inflation across HS2, after its inquiry was told of 30-40% swings in the cost of raw materials.

The committee’s chair, Meg Hillier, said: “The HS2 Euston project is floundering. This is a multibillion-pound scheme which has already caused major disruption to the local community put on pause.

“The pause, ostensibly to save money, is not cost free … The government must now be clear what it is trying to achieve with this new station, and how it will benefit the public.

“Our report finds that a wildly unrealistic budget for HS2 Euston was set in 2020 in the expectation that it would be revised. The government must demonstrate that it is not just repeating the same mistakes of unrealistic costings.”

The HS2 terminus forms part of a wider programme to redevelop Euston, including the existing Network Rail mainline station for conventional trains, with new housing and commercial buildings over and around the site.
 

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Not sure whether I should use this mini-thread or the HS2 delays
Has delivery of the Euston section been hived off into a separate organisation? I think that was the recommendation at one point. Headlines do sound pretty unbelievable that best part of a decade in there isn't a plan for it. I'm sure the detail is more complicated
 

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Has delivery of the Euston section been hived off into a separate organisation? I think that was the recommendation at one point. Headlines do sound pretty unbelievable that best part of a decade in there isn't a plan for it. I'm sure the detail is more complicated
see the parallel thread "More delay for HS2?" https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/more-delay-for-hs2.242566/ where this has been covered extensively. Apparently it's down to the purse-holder wanting more for less, or just wanting to spend less. This leads to repeated re-designs, none of wich achieve anything apart from stripping out features or capacity, spending ever-more money on consultants etc and putting a bigger bill further into the future.
 

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Yeah, doing this (changing design after it’s started, or pausing work) (by the government) doesn’t actually save money. In fact, in the long term it actually costs more.
 
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