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How much more expensive is rebuilding it as a passenger-grade line over a freight-only?
Probably hardly at all. The alignment is already determined so there's no opportunity to make it any less (or more) straight, and I can't imagine there's much saving in track or signalling when comparing passenger at 90mph with heavy freight at a lower speed.
 
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Indeed. The line has to be reconnected to serve Calvert waste disposal site. This however would clearly not have to be a 90mph line.

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As the only 'service' that would use the line north of Quainton (if the Aylesbury spur was not built for passenger services) would be the 'binliner' trains to Calvert, there would be no requirement for 90mph running and it could remain a 30mph freight line as it has been for decades.

Probably hardly at all. The alignment is already determined so there's no opportunity to make it any less (or more) straight, and I can't imagine there's much saving in track or signalling when comparing passenger at 90mph with heavy freight at a lower speed.
The whole line has to be put back in at some point or no one is doing engineering works south of Aylesbury. Latest plan is leaving it as 30 to Quainton with some (five) of the planned signals removed, basically meaning Aylesbury VP to Greatmoor as absolute block and the rebuilt section north of there to Greatmoor onwards is at 90mph with all the signaling.
 

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The whole line has to be put back in at some point or no one is doing engineering works south of Aylesbury. Latest plan is leaving it as 30 to Quainton with some (five) of the planned signals removed, basically meaning Aylesbury VP to Greatmoor as absolute block and the rebuilt section north of there to Greatmoor onwards is at 90mph with all the signaling.

Absolute block or token block as it is was before the line was severed?
 

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Where are the Calvert trains going from FCC if we block south of Aylesbury? their new facility greatly increases their ability to run trains and are expecting an uplift, which will include weekend runs.
Absolute block or token block as it is was before the line was severed?

If it's being rebuilt, surely it'll be Track Circuit Block, just planned as AB for headways?
This. It will be TCB controlled from Rugby ROC from about the 41 mile post. MC303 will be the start of the section at AVP, AC2407 the distant before Greatmoor with AC2409 the next section prior to Greatmoor South Jn.
 

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Where are the Calvert trains going from FCC if we block south of Aylesbury? their new facility greatly increases their ability to run trains and are expecting an uplift, which will include weekend runs.



This. It will be TCB controlled from Rugby ROC from about the 41 mile post. MC303 will be the start of the section at AVP, AC2407 the distant before Greatmoor with AC2409 the next section prior to Greatmoor South Jn.

Interesting. ME303 (not MC303) is currently the commencement of the token section towards Quainton although I believe some kind of modified working must now be in place for those construction trains heading to the new Quainton railhead, unless token working is now available once more since Claydon L&NE Junction 'box has been relocated (about 7 miles south of the junction it used to serve!)
 
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This. It will be TCB controlled from Rugby ROC from about the 41 mile post. MC303 will be the start of the section at AVP, AC2407 the distant before Greatmoor with AC2409 the next section prior to Greatmoor South Jn.
MP 41 had me foxed until I checked Trackmaps - that's the distance from Baker St via the Met!
GC miles, if they still exist, start from the old Quainton Road Jn (161.50/44.48).
HS2 (miles/km) will also be different through the area - something like km 71 at Quainton.
And the Princes Risborough-Aylesbury branch is still measured from Paddington via Maidenhead and High Wycombe!
 

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I spent the day at Old Oak Common HS2 site today sorting out issues, inspecting things etc. Wow it's a big site!!

Current stage of work

It appears that they are capping off the bored concrete piles for the box starting at each end by the tunnel portal walls and working inwards. As they progress they are installing the reinforced concrete cross beams too. I found it interesting that on the south side the furthest north up relief platform track will be above the furthest south HS2 platform! They are constructing a huge trackbed slab there with some of the largest rebar I've ever seen. The biggest bit is apparently the station bridge structure base.

Because there's a huge utility box bridge going in, that area hasn't progressed yet preventing any work on the central section of the station box.

At the west end they've started digging out the box near that portal. There's a lot of muck to come out of that hole!

Whilst I took many pictures I'm prohibited from putting them on here but I could answer questions by looking at them.

Wow that hole is deep much deeper then it seems. I went down probably 5m and was still above the trains!
 

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I found it interesting that on the south side the furthest north up relief platform track will be above the furthest south HS2 platform! They are constructing a huge trackbed slab there with some of the largest rebar I've ever seen. The biggest bit is apparently the station bridge structure base.
I'm having difficulty visualising this - are you saying that each track from north to south is further underground, to the extent that there is a full platform height's worth of difference between the first and last ones?
 

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I'm having difficulty visualising this - are you saying that each track from north to south is further underground, to the extent that there is a full platform height's worth of difference between the first and last ones?
I assumed he was referring to the Up Relief line of the GWML on the surface being above the HS2 platforms in the below-ground OOC station
 

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I'm having difficulty visualising this - are you saying that each track from north to south is further underground, to the extent that there is a full platform height's worth of difference between the first and last ones?
No, he's saying the Up GWML Relief Loop platform at surface level will be vertically above the Down HS2 Loop platform.
 

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I spent the day at Old Oak Common HS2 site today sorting out issues, inspecting things etc. Wow it's a big site!!
Is the conveyor system importing supplies and exporting spoil to/from Willesden Euroterminal now in operation?
It's difficult to tell from the HS2 updates.
 

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No, he's saying the Up GWML Relief Loop platform at surface level will be vertically above the Down HS2 Loop platform.
That's correct

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Is the conveyor system importing supplies and exporting spoil to/from Willesden Euroterminal now in operation?
It's difficult to tell from the HS2 updates.
Until the capping beams, cross beams etc are done which is dependant on the utility bridge being done, full scale excavation cannot start.

I don't know about the conveyors but I assume they are tested & ready for when full scale excavation can get under way.
 

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I spent the day at Old Oak Common HS2 site today sorting out issues, inspecting things etc. Wow it's a big site!!

It is very impressive. Did you see the battery operated crane? That’s something else!

Wow that hole is deep much deeper then it seems. I went down probably 5m and was still above the trains!

15m deep.

Is the conveyor system importing supplies and exporting spoil to/from Willesden Euroterminal now in operation?
It's difficult to tell from the HS2 updates.

Yes it’s working. Has been for a while.
 

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That's correct

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Until the capping beams, cross beams etc are done which is dependant on the utility bridge being done, full scale excavation cannot start.

I don't know about the conveyors but I assume they are tested & ready for when full scale excavation can get under way.
No, he's saying the Up GWML Relief Loop platform at surface level will be vertically above the Down HS2 Loop platform.
NB. There are two Relief Line loops - the Down Relief Loop (Platform 6) and Up Relief Loop (Platform 7).

None of the GWML platforms directly oversail the HS2 station box (including its platforms), it is further towards London on the eastern end of the site where the GWML lines are directly vertically above the HS2 running tunnels. This is the best I can do for you I'm afraid - though the GWML end of platform footbridges are a little way off.....!
 

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NB. There are two Relief Line loops - the Up Relief Loop (Platform 7) and the Down Relief Loop (Platform 8).
I may have got the terminology imprecise, as I haven't seen engineering plans. My understanding was that it would be very similar (or identical) to the Reading setup. Down Main on 1/2, Up Main on 3/4, Down Relief on 5/6 and Up Relief on 7/8 (or numbers inverted, depends). No idea if loops would be inside or outside each line.
Is the HS2 station 6 platforms, or 6 lines with 4 platforms?
 

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I may have got the terminology imprecise, as I haven't seen engineering plans. My understanding was that it would be very similar (or identical) to the Reading setup. Down Main on 1/2, Up Main on 3/4, Down Relief on 5/6 and Up Relief on 7/8 (or numbers inverted, depends). No idea if loops would be inside or outside each line.
Is the HS2 station 6 platforms, or 6 lines with 4 platforms?
The diagram I've got (dated 2012, so might be out of date) shows the HS2 station with 3 island platforms, each with 2 faces.
On the same diagram, the GW station is shown with 4 islands each with 2 faces.
 

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The diagram I've got (dated 2012, so might be out of date) shows the HS2 station with 3 island platforms, each with 2 faces.
On the same diagram, the GW station is shown with 4 islands each with 2 faces.
Here’s a reasonable 2016 drawing of the area under discussion, it does look as though it’s only GW tracks that are aligned over the HS2 box, rather than a platform. The intersection point is quite close to the end of the up relief platform though, as noted by @WiredUp a few posts back:

 

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I may have got the terminology imprecise, as I haven't seen engineering plans. My understanding was that it would be very similar (or identical) to the Reading setup. Down Main on 1/2, Up Main on 3/4, Down Relief on 5/6 and Up Relief on 7/8 (or numbers inverted, depends). No idea if loops would be inside or outside each line.
Is the HS2 station 6 platforms, or 6 lines with 4 platforms?
HS2 has 6 platforms, consisting of 3 sets of island platforms: P9 - P14
GWML has 8 platforms, consisting of 4 sets of island platforms: DM = P1, DM Loop = P2, UM = P3, UM Loop = P4, DR = P5, DR Loop = P6, UR Loop = P7, UR = P8.
 

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Flyover of various points on the route. 1st bit is the Colne Valley viaduct, I'm not sure about the rest tho.
Second sequence appears to be from that viaduct over the tunnel segment casting yard towards the southern Chiltern Tunnel portals.
 

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I assume the "white sea" is chalk spoil from the Chiltern tunnels, which will be landscaped into a "green corridor" between the tunnels and the viaduct.
 
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