HS2 and Hull

[7griffinjack]

With Hull looking to be electrified what prospects do you think the line has with connecting to HS2 in the future? What services will it receive?

 

[deltic]

None - given the way the HS2 line is proposed there is AFAIK no way of accessing Hull from it except via going to York and back again

 

[Simon11]

As much chance as Wick getting a link to HS2....... Have you see the route?

 

[7griffinjack]

I'm fully aware of the route. I was just wondering as in the future a link from the Sheffield area could maybe allow trains from Hull/ Doncaster to travel on HS2 to Birmingham etc. There was mention of HS2 in recent reports relating to Hulls future electrification.

And I'm pretty sure the chance of Hull being linked to HS2 is much higher than Wick.

 

[YorkshireBear]

I'm fully aware of the route. I was just wondering as in the future a link from the Sheffield area could maybe allow trains from Hull/ Doncaster to travel on HS2 to Birmingham etc. There was mention of HS2 in recent reports relating to Hulls future electrification.

And I'm pretty sure the chance of Hull being linked to HS2 is much higher than Wick.

Aye but not by much

The paths freed up will probably allow more London services for Hull down the ECML with longer and better electric trains. I think for now that s a good improvement for Hull without thinking about HS2.

It may get a HS line if a TPE HS line is built.

 

[Altnabreac]

There are 2 semi realistic options for serving Hull from HS2.

One is a dedicated spur in the Killamarsh area connecting through the old Rotherham Masborough station to Doncaster and on to Hull. If Hull and Doncaster want a service like this they would need to campaign for at least passive provision at the detailed design stage.

Secondly and much more likely is for a north facing chord at Toton to be built. This would allow trains to run on to Chesterfield and Sheffield and probably has a reasonable chance of happening.

Journey times to Hull via option 2 are unlikely to be competitive with the ECML but a Birmingham service would be a distinct possibility as HS2 north of Birmingham has plenty of spare capacity.

 

[34D]

There are 2 semi realistic options for serving Hull from HS2.

One is a dedicated spur in the Killamarsh area connecting through the old Rotherham Masborough station to Doncaster and on to Hull. If Hull and Doncaster want a service like this they would need to campaign for at least passive provision at the detailed design stage.

Secondly and much more likely is for a north facing chord at Toton to be built. This would allow trains to run on to Chesterfield and Sheffield and probably has a reasonable chance of happening.

Journey times to Hull via option 2 are unlikely to be competitive with the ECML but a Birmingham service would be a distinct possibility as HS2 north of Birmingham has plenty of spare capacity.

Erm surely a connection at Normanton (west yorks) is more realistic, the route from there being castleford, Milford junction to selby?

 

[Altnabreac]

Erm surely a connection at Normanton (west yorks) is more realistic, the route from there being castleford, Milford junction to selby?

Well that's an option but the line there is at a 90 degree angle and it's a constrained site to build a chord so it's either much more expensive, or very slow or probably both.

It would also fail to serve Doncaster which at 130,000 people has a population of nearly 100,000 more than Castleford.

Additionally there would potentially be more electrification required as Castleford may not have been wired by 2030 whereas you would imagine Doncaster - Sheffield probably will have been.

If you are purely designing a fast route to Hull it's an option but I think it's much less likely to happen than either of my suggestions which would serve other major towns and cities as well.

 

[joeykins82]

Hull-London via ECML will probably be an hourly service calling Stevenage, Peterborough, Newark, Grantham, Retford, Doncaster, Goole and Brough. Howden & Selby passengers will be "encouraged" to use the HS2 captive services from Leeds, and chances are the journey time from Hull itself will be broadly comparable via ECML or HS2.