How hard can it be?

[Drsatan]

Wouldn't it be possible to use a generator van instead of ETH to provide heating & lighting for the coaches?

 

[ukrob]

Wouldn't it be possible to use a generator van instead of ETH to provide heating & lighting for the coaches?

"I think you are getting into the realms of fantasy now Jones"

 

[Drsatan]

Just a thought ukrob. The Enterprise service utilises a generator van, so that combination might be feasible.

 

[37401]

With regards to this thread http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=27091&page=2, if in the unlikely situation the Voyagers are shunted off XC, North Wales Coast and Birmingham - Scotland services and replaced by loco-hauled services, couldn't some 56s be reinstated to haul these trains?

This is because there are many 56s formerly used on LGV Est construction trains dumped at Healey Mills and other places. Surely giving them an F exam and regearing them for 90-100 mph operation would be cheaper than ordering new diesel locomotives to haul these trains? I do recognise that 67s and maybe a new type of diesel would be necessary since there probably wouldn't be enough 56s available.

Just a thought

Its been my dream to see 56`s hauling a regular passenger service

 

[jopsuk]

Wasn't that just so they could use existing non-ETH locos (which were in working order). I think by the time you've got the 56s up and running AND new-built a load of attendant generator vans you're into silly money better put towards new locos or units.

 

[37401]

"...so we decided to find out!"

Then it cuts away to a video showing us lot screaming and shouting at 56`s and doing a half assed but funny job of it

what about the ex-fastline /3`s they were only stored start of the yer/last year

I say we do it! viva le revolution!

 

[NSEFAN]

I seem to recall a class 56 being used years ago on a Cross Country service to Bournemouth, back when it was all loco-hauled stock, but I imagine this was only due to a class 47 failure?
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Found a picture:

http://www.hondawanderer.com/56019_Culham_1998.htm

If Grids can't provide ETH, it must have been boiling inside!

 

[HSTfan!!!]

56's on regular passenger workings... I've heard it all now!
Not a great deal of point going to the effort, there are plenty of suitable loco's capable of the job sat redundant.

 

[37402]

if TopGear has taught me anything its never to say "How hard can it be?" !!!!!!!!!!!

Ask Muppet56097, he owns one of the damn things!

 

[theblackwatch]

I seem to recall a class 56 being used years ago on a Cross Country service to Bournemouth, back when it was all loco-hauled stock, but I imagine this was only due to a class 47 failure?
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
Found a picture:

http://www.hondawanderer.com/56019_Culham_1998.htm

If Grids can't provide ETH, it must have been boiling inside!

There were plenty of Class 56s on Cross Country workings in the 90s. I can recall having 3 different Romanian ones - 019 as mentioned above (not to Bournemouth, I had it earlier in the day out of Manchester), 009 on a Scarborough-Swansea one Saturday in 1992, and 010 on a Newcastle-Bristol, which I had after work from York-Doncaster.

 

[37401]

COME ON LADS LETS DO IT!!! all those grids sitting at crewe doing nothing, what can we do with them, are they for sale, for scrap or are they just going to sit there getting rotten

 

[Royston Vasey]

And the loco equivalent of this emerges!

 

[tbtc]

Why the fascination with 56s?

Is it the power, or is it the "novelty" or is it just that there's lots of rusty ones sitting round rotting?

 

[90019]

Why the fascination with 56s?

Probably because they have a similar noise to the Valentas.

 

[37401]

Why the fascination with 56s?

Is it the power, or is it the "novelty" or is it just that there's lots of rusty ones sitting round rotting?

They are great locos, I love the sound and shape of them and have done since I saw my first one ("mommy thats loud...but i love it")

you could say the same for any loco

 

[Drsatan]

Why the fascination with 56s?

Is it the power, or is it the "novelty" or is it just that there's lots of rusty ones sitting round rotting?

The last point really. If some ex-IE generator vans could be bought & regaged then using 56s on some passenger services would be a possibility. Furthermore, there are lots of ex-Fertis 56s that could be brought back to life.

 

[MCR247]

The last point really. If some ex-IE generator vans could be bought & regaged then using 56s on some passenger services would be a possibility. Furthermore, there are lots of ex-Fertis 56s that could be brought back to life.

And you could get 56s up to 125mph? :?

 

[delt1c]

It has been mentioned about top speed and ETS conversion problems, what seems to be overlooked here is under BR many locos, units and coaches were designed and built with future conversion in mind , however few ever had the modifications undertake later in their life.
As an example the 455's when built allowed for future upgrading to 100mph with the existing bogies modified and for later possible inclusion of toilets as per the 317's . MkIID's were built for retro fitting of air con which never came about.
So dont under estimate the 56's for passenger work , even allowing for the power loss due to ETS they would still have been far superior to the 47's they would have replaced.

 

[ladydsm]

COME ON LADS LETS DO IT!!! all those grids sitting at crewe doing nothing, what can we do with them, are they for sale, for scrap or are they just going to sit there getting rotten

colas are using 56s to haul there freight they dont seem to have any problems there running at 75mph

 

[37401]

colas are using 56s to haul there freight they dont seem to have any problems there running at 75mph

Yeah I know Hanson`s /3`s are being used by colas, I mean all those that are stored up at Crewe and the ex-Fastline /3`s come to think of it I dont see why Hanson dont get those saves them the £1mill refurb for 314 and 315

 

[devon_metro]

Only problem with class 56s is the rather lively ride above 60mph.

 

[D1001]

The reason I suggested 56s is that they're more powerful than 47s (3250bhp) and they could work alongside 67s. Also 56s could be fitted with ETH.

It cost BR £100,000 to equip a 47 with ETH in the mid 1980's = that's why they rebuilt 47522 after it got smashed up - cheaper than rebuilding another 47

 

[Phoenix]

Yeah I know Hanson`s /3`s are being used by colas, I mean all those that are stored up at Crewe and the ex-Fastline /3`s come to think of it I dont see why Hanson dont get those saves them the £1mill refurb for 314 and 315

Because the Fertis lot had the crap shagged out of them (in a manner of speaking) they were sorted for their contracts over seas and were used to their full on very heavy freights on very steep gradients some easily topping the lickey and now they are somewhat old and tired.