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How do you value your travel time?

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Doctor Fegg

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I think this is a bit of a red herring. Almost all such "roads" are correctly attributed in the major datasets used for navigation: here's Poles Lane on OpenStreetMap, for example. A shortest route option intended for cars will generally not choose a road like that - it'll either be completely absent from the network graph or set to "destination only".

(OS maps in their familiar 1:25k/1:50k are not a topologically connected route network and as such are not used for routing.)
 
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I think this is a bit of a red herring. Almost all such "roads" are correctly attributed in the major datasets used for navigation: here's Poles Lane on OpenStreetMap, for example. A shortest route option intended for cars will generally not choose a road like that - it'll either be completely absent from the network graph or set to "destination only".

(OS maps in their familiar 1:25k/1:50k are not a topologically connected route network and as such are not used for routing.)
In the past, Poles Lane was a problem for OpenStreetMap. The rule is "Map what's on the ground". On the ground is the 'Public Highway' sign. Tagging as that would lead to rendered maps showing what looked like a normal road (and potentially mislead routing software). Tagging it as a track, to help rendering and routing, would break the rule. OSM has since revised tagging to allow the legal status and physical characteristucs to be recorded separately. Everybody happy.
 

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If it were a BOAT, it would be marked on OS maps as such. It is not.
Confusing isn't it, although it should be noted that the OS do state on all their maps that designations might not be totally accurate. For that you need to check the LA Definitive Map.
Certainly on the OS map it seems to show as a Bridleway on either side of the tarmaced road, but opposite there is a sign that says unsuitable for Large vehicles!
 

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Even a public highway (see the sign) may be a rough track. Poles Lane, Ware, Herts. This gets much rougher further along.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/6kdkKPiHFNJsLU6Y8
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Image of a green and white 'Public Highway' sign pointing along a narrow rough track.
yep this the type of road being referred to as BOAT in previous posts ' Byway Open to All Traffic' after the last set of revisions to the classification of minor roads in the early 2000s as there used to be a classification of 'road used as public path' which was technically open to all kinds of traffic - most were downgraded to restricted byways in the mid 2000s and no longer had a right of way for motorised vehicles

 

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yep this the type of road being referred to as BOAT in previous posts ' Byway Open to All Traffic' after the last set of revisions to the classification of minor roads in the early 2000s as there used to be a classification of 'road used as public path' which was technically open to all kinds of traffic - most were downgraded to restricted byways in the mid 2000s and no longer had a right of way for motorised vehicles

See post #30. This is a public highway, it is not a "public right of way" in legislation, so does not fit any of those definitions.
 

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No wonder you get into so much bother if that's the level of detail you go into for every travel decision.
You can make a living doing this sort of appraisal (at least on populations of travellers rather than individuals). It is my day job!

It is also follows much the same principles as the Department for Transport's mandated methodology for evaluating public expenditure on transport projects (often referred to as WebTAG): https://www.gov.uk/guidance/transport-analysis-guidance-tag

Introduction​

This content contains guidance on the conduct of transport studies. The guidance includes or provides links to advice on how to:
  • set objectives and identify problems
  • develop potential solutions
  • create a transport model for the appraisal of the alternative solutions
  • how to conduct an appraisal that meets the requirements of the Department for Transport (DfT)
It certainly seems reasonable that if you can identify your individual 'weightings' and use these as parameters for a personal journey planner that could potentially give your 'ideal' route for each journey. I suspect that understanding the range of each parameter and how you fit in to each is easier said than done and would require quite a bit of trial and error on the part of the user to 'tune' - as others have commented many of these 'weightings' are held and applied without our ever thinking about them, let alone enumerating them!

On a population level, you can (and the DfT, TfL and many private Transport Planning consultancies have) do the research necessary to identify the average values across the population - sufficient for the evaluation of the types of projects the WebTAG methodology and implementations of it by other public bodies would need to consider. As many of the commenters note, average values mask huge variation between individuals. For example, some people hate crowded trains, others hardly notice and pack themselves in to be the first off near the exit. Some people pay for an expensive direct flight, others take three legs and half a day more to save £100 on the air fare. I posted some similar questions that anyone reading this thread could ask themselves to another thread (https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/1992-stock-refurbishment.216243/page-22) that help to illustrate how people 'value' their time, even very small amounts of time, but also how their 'weightings' differ:

Have you ever pressed the door close button in a lift? Have you ever pressed the button at a Pelican Crossing even though the wait indication is already illuminated (perhaps several times)? Do you drive at 75 mph on motorways even though this is above the speed limit? Do you run or walk faster to catch an Underground train? Do you walk or even run up escalators? Have you ever 'tutted' when a train you are on slows for a signal stop or speed restriction? Do you overtake a car travelling 50 mph so you can go 60 mph on a single carriageway cross country road?

You can of course have different values in different contexts. You might rather dislike travelling to work in a crowded class 700 and want the journey over quickly, but would wait several hours and go a longer route if you could do so hauled by a class 68 or 91 (effectively a negative 'weighting')...
 
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