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How Did They Rustproof In The Steam Days?

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abrogard

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How did they rustproof the boilers in the steam days?

I have an outside wood stove thing and I find I can't rustproof it. The problem is heat - anything you put on burns off.

They would have had the same problem. Wonder what they did about it? Or did boilers and fireboxes really not get all that hot?
 
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My understanding of a steam loco is that the firebox was surrounded on 5 sides by a water jacket with a grating supporting the fire with ash pan below that, therfore the metal that is /was painted got hot but never in direct contact with the heat of a fire.
 
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How did they rustproof the boilers in the steam days?

I have an outside wood stove thing and I find I can't rustproof it. The problem is heat - anything you put on burns off.

They would have had the same problem. Wonder what they did about it? Or did boilers and fireboxes really not get all that hot?

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http://www.halfords.com/motoring/paints-body-repair/specialist-decorative-paints/halfords-v-high-temperature-engine-enamel-paint-matt-black-250ml
 

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I don't think there was anyway of rustproofIng something that was in constant contact with water, and boilers (not just on locos) therefore had to be regularly inspected. ISTR that, at least in the early days, there were many failures with nasty consequences.

LTC Rolt's account of the Talyllyn, Railway Adventure, suggests that the pre preservation railway had been very lucky....
 

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Didn,t most steam engine boilers have insulation ( white asbestos blankets) lagging the boiler and then a sheet metal covering the lagging to protect it.

The metal work was most probably have been painted with an undercoat of good old red leaded paint in them days.

Even back in the very early days wasn,t the boiler cover with a timber jacket?
 

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The High Temperature paint recommended earlier is for engine blocks which do not usually get higher than 120 degrees C.
I suggest you try Exhaust spray paint VHT (Very High Temp )
That is what I am going to use on my Brake Van Stove.
 

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I was always told the steel used in those days was a different - higher grade than whats' avaialble now. You've only got to look at how quick a new bike rots away compared to an old Releigh from the 60s.
 

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I'm not sure they did do much/any 'corrosion prevention' - boilers and fireboxes were assumed to need repair and replacement during the lifetime of the loco, so when a loco went into works for overhaul, it may well have had the boiler/firebox swapped for new or repaired one. By the time a loco got scrapped probably only the frames and a few other bits were still from the original build - other parts got swapped around between members of the class as needed to keep locos 'on the road'.

They did use water treatment (in some areas at least) but I think that was mostly to reduce scale buildup in hard water areas (which reduces boiler efficiency and costs money to remove).
 

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How did they rustproof the boilers in the steam days?

I have an outside wood stove thing and I find I can't rustproof it. The problem is heat - anything you put on burns off.

They would have had the same problem. Wonder what they did about it? Or did boilers and fireboxes really not get all that hot?

Do you mean the outside of the boiler barrel, or the inside facing the water?

Steel will rust if it gets into contact with water or water vapour. However at 250psi pressure - a typical steam locomotive boiler pressure - water boils at around 200 deg C. This means that the barrel will never get hotter than this value, but it also means that the outside will never get wet from liquid water as it will boil off and no vapour will condense. The outside was also protected from the elements by insulation - intended to reduce heat loss. Locomotive boilers rarely got cold, except at inspections, so the outside did not often get a chance to start rusting.

Inside the boiler the situation was very different. The surfaces were subjected to violent water flows and all sorts of corrosive chemicals that got in through the boiler feed water - only in the very late steam era was feed water properly treated - so the internal surfaces could be badly attacked.

The inside of the firebox was exposed the fire and all the corrosive gases that produced - so the erosion was chemical. The 'outside' of the firebox was surrounded by water - meaning that the metal of the firebox wouldn't have experienced a temperature much (i.e., more than a few degrees) greater than the water in the boiler - i.e., 200 deg C. Anyway in British practice the firebox was generally made of copper so the question of rusting didn't arise.

The locomotive designer got over the boiler corrosion problem by making the boiler barrel and the firebox much thicker than they needed to be to just withstand the pressure, and the boilers were scrapped when the thickness became marginal.

So the difference between your wood stove and a locomotive boiler is that there is no water jacket keeping the outside temperature under control, the steel used is, most likely, a steel chosen to be easily worked and not particularly corrosion resistant and the stove spends a lot of its time cold, so water vapour can get to work. Any heat resistant paint that you try has to be of the type used on exhaust pipes in the automotive world - and don't forget many of the really hot bits in that industry are castings which can better withstand the heat than fabrications. If your stove is not a casting, maybe you should look for one that is..!
 

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Was talking about this at NRM couple of weeks ago. Painting the outside and regularly pressure washing the inside to flush it out.
 
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