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Today I went riding around to Epping and the Hainault loop. So what you may say.

Loadings on Thameslink very , very good on the 1127 Brighton - almost 75% capacity I reckon and all being sensible - the real eye opener was Liverpool St as to "bustling" with excellent loadings observed on all services running around to Stratford - and the tube very busy with almost an early peak at LST westwards,

Yes the weather is superb , and it is half term - but a good sprinking of real workers around if you note laptops and amended office wear. Good to see the railway working

Unfortunately, you evidently haven't been on the Tube at some of the normal commuter locations! It's still possible to find almost-empty cars at such times.

Leisure is booming for sure, but commuting remains pretty stubborn. The car park at my local station remains likewise pretty empty - usage has barely picked up at all since the beginning of the year, and I don't think is back to what we saw in the period September-November last year. I think this is going to continue to be the case until there's a "back to work" push, which I can't see happening before about September.
 
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Unfortunately, you evidently haven't been on the Tube at some of the normal commuter locations! It's still possible to find almost-empty cars at such times.

Leisure is booming for sure, but commuting remains pretty stubborn. The car park at my local station remains likewise pretty empty - usage has barely picked up at all since the beginning of the year, and I don't think is back to what we saw in the period September-November last year. I think this is going to continue to be the case until there's a "back to work" push, which I can't see happening before about September.

Yes I keep an eye on commuter loadings from SAC - dropping daughter down for the 0710 at least 3 times a week -very much busier in the last fortnight and the car park is now to level 2 use and the stations such as Radlett are now over 50% and Elstree almost full. A good number of neighbours are now back to at least 2 days a week (from zero) , and some youngsters are now "brave" enough to take on new jobs in the City , one travelling from SAC to Chancery Lane having worked locally for the last 15 months. Anecdotal maybe - but things seem to be on the turn.

I will have a ride around on "commuter" locations next week around 0730 .....
 

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Trip up to London today from Martins Heron, Both trains, 2C22 out, 2C49 back probably 75%. Every pair of seats had at least one passenger and the 3 seat sets on 450 2 passengers. Plus plenty of standing. The tube, Northern line, was decidedly heaving. Things are back to normal!
 

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I've not checked all the trains I've been on, of late but the 20:27 Clapham Junction to Exeter service was 9 coaches and busy. Busy enough that I was sat in the vestibule with a stranger standing beside the other door.

I'm only on this train because there isn't a 20:22 service to Guildford as there use to be before covid-19.

On the 19:42 Haywards Heath to Clapham Junction, there was enough space for me to have a table of 4 to myself and to choose where to sit.

The Onboard Supervisor asked us to sit by the window so the aisle was kept clear with a distance.

No chance of that on this 20:27. The guard checked the tickets on this service but no checking on the 19:42.

On the late running 20:55 Woking to Portsmouth Harbour there was at least 16 people in coach 6 of the 444. So I didn't have to stand in the vestibule and I could easily social distance from others by more than 2m.
 
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Noticeably busier today on all services:

Frodsham - Runcorn
Runcorn - Crewe
Crew - Chester
Chester - Mouldsworth
Mouldsworth - Chester
Chester - Frodsham

Crewe in particular felt busy, and the refurbed TFW 150 from Crewe to Chester in particular was packed.
 
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During the weekend SWR always shortform suburban services (4 carriages instead of 8)
I agree.

Moreover, I haven't seen any 455x2+456 10-car formations recently on the suburban lines. It's now a 455+455 or 455+456x2 8-car formation.
 

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SWR do not routinely form suburban services with 4 car trains at the weekends now.

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/se...21-05-29/0200-0159?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt shows almost everything (except diesel services) formed of 8 and 10 car trains.
Maybe the statement should have been more specific. Saturdays are fine with many 8-cars out.

Here's the same RTT link for Sunday

You can see there are quite a few 4-cars on the Chessington South, Guildford, Dorking trains on Sundays.
 

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You can see there are quite a few 4-cars on the Chessington South, Guildford, Dorking trains on Sundays.
Was that something to do with trains starting at Worcester Park? It didn't seem to be all trains on any given route so I couldn't work out whether it was a booked short formation or not. It still wasn't as if the whole suburban service was 4-car like it once was.
 

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One annoyance for me is the 20:30 and 21:30 from Manchester to Leeds and Hull are often three cars on a weekend. They're pretty packed with local passengers and longer distance passengers, as the 19:57 departure is missing, and the xx:00 stopper to Huddersfield is missing too..
 

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Did Chesterfield-Cheltenham today on XC. Very lightly loaded in both directions. 9 coaches going south, HST 7 coming back. Heavy emphasis on complying with regulations on signage and announcements. Alienated my companion from the start with our reserved seats being windows and not together. Needless to say we ignored that and I sat by the aisle and wasn't challenged. The cost would put me off doing that again, never mind Covid!
Same experience for my companion also.
 

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Got the 17:01 Guildford to Waterloo service this evening.

Coach 5 of the 450 service was busy but I didn't count the numbers. Coach 4 had 20 people in. Coach 3 had 13. Coach 2, 18 people and coach 1, 13, including myself.

There were definite groups of younger people heading out for the evening.

I'm sure this is user than 6 weeks ago when I made a similar trip to London on a Friday. I'm actually heading to Victoria.

I managed to pick up the late-running 17:29 Clapham Junction to Victoria. A lot of people alighted at Clapham Junction.

I enter on coach 7. This has 8 people. As did coaches 5 and 6 respectively.

Coach 4 had 12 people which included 1 person sat in first class. I don't see a point in buying a first-class ticket for this service. For all, I know they didn't either

Coach 3 had 16 people. Coach 2 had 14 and coach 1 had 12 including myself.

By picking up this train and also my previous train arriving into Clapham Junction early, I save myself 10 minutes.

This meant I could walk to my destination rather than run.

It's a 15-minute walk to my destination and with fast trains only every 30 minutes, it makes more sense to chance it and run if necessary.

Not sure if the train was 8 or 12 carriages but it was quieter than the Waterloo one. It had come from Ore.
 
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Did the 1017 Cambridge North-Norwich and 1527 return today. Respectable load - at least one occupant per pair of seats at the busiest.

Also witnessed the ~1525 arrival at Norwich from Liverpool Street dislodge alot of passengers on arrival. Spotted several "hen weekend" type groups on their way from Norwich station.
 

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11:00 Norwich to Liverpool Street & 13:30 return both had in excess of 500 passengers. The up service had 322 boarding at Norwich alone. As Summer progresses & the restrictions hopefully lift a return to a half-hourly frequency may be required for some of the day as as it stands no uplift is planned until 13th September.
 

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1706 LEI-SHF was [covid] full, despite it being a Friday. This train has been getting steadily busier every day since 17/05.
 

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On the 0819 Guildford to Woking which is formed of 8 carriages.

9 people in coach four, which includes 1 kb, first class. Again, like yesterday, I don't know why one would pay for first class.

To be fair to South Western Railway, first-class is nicer than standards class. Govia Thameslink Railway could have learnt a thing or two from them.

In coach 5 it was 16 people and in coach 6, just 15, including myself.

Be interesting to know how busy the morning off-peak only trains from Guildford to Waterloo are. I'm on a train that allows super off-peak tickets.
 

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Mk3s, Class 68s and DVTs all laid up at Wembley. Only one Chiltern “silver” set in the timetable at the moment. If these were in use it would allow the DMUs to be doubled up as they usually are.
Not possible at present due to cracks found on the ETS mountings. Only 1 loco available for use at present and that set appears to have had problems in the West Midlands this morning.

cracks found on the ETS mountings
 
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A fatality on the Marshlink earlier made for a busy service just as I was alighting at Rye. Boarded the next train in the same direction which was also quite packed.
 

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Travelled on a single class 350 desiro yesterday from Stafford to Stoke. Almost every other seat taken in the back carriage when it arrived and filled up when we boarded (in covid terms with a few 'three opposite three' seats filled by families).
 

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Not possible at present due to cracks found on the ETS mountings. Only 1 loco available for use at present and that set appears to have had problems in the West Midlands this morning.

cracks found on the ETS mountings
Without wanting to wander off topic, 68011 is sat on a rake at Stourbridge Junction. Judging by number of people on Chiltern Trains around Birmingham yesterday they could do with these coming back soon. Were fairly busy.
 

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10.40 Liverpool Street - Stansted Airport; about 50% of all seats taken. Observed as far as Bishop's Stortford.

17.06 Harlow Mill - Cheshunt: About 40% of all seats taken.

17.32 from Cheshunt to Liverpool Street - most seats taken; observed as far as Edmonton Green.

17.57 Edmonton Green ( ex-Liverpool Street ) to Enfield Town: Virtually every seat taken; plus a number of standing passengers.

18.23 Enfield Town to Liverpool Street - virtually every seat taken, most right from the start as well. Plus a number of standing passengers.

Northern Line from Moorgate to London Bridge: Normal load. As in a pre-coronavirus normal load. Caveat: Possibly boosted by the Circle being kaput today meaning people who normally circulate between London Bridge an Liverpool Street via Farringdon were mostly circulating via Moorgate and the short walk.
 

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A fatality on the Marshlink earlier made for a busy service just as I was alighting at Rye. Boarded the next train in the same direction which was also quite packed.

Marshlink seems to be four carriages at the moment. Don't think I've ever seen it as busy as today.
 

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Midweek Cambrian morning trains south to Barmouth very busy (80% full), evening northbound trains at about 30% capacity, late night Tuesday northbound train had 3 passengers spread across a 2 car 158 after Dyffryn! But this was half term week.
 

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Six people in my XC coach from Derby to Nottingham, yet when I did the text thing it came back “there is no seat availability for your requested journey”. I was on it anyway from BHM on an Advance to Derby, so just stayed put. Crazy system.
 

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MONDAY 7th JUNE.

10:16 Nuneaton - Coventry 2-car DMU - 12 passengers.
11:17 Coventry - Nuneaton (same as above) 10 passengers, 5 boarded at Bedworth too.
11:51 Nuneaton - Melton Mowbray 3-car Class 170, middle coach had 15 passengers.
13:15 Melton Mowbray - Bedford 4-car Class 222, 9 passengers although a fair few had gathered en-route.
15:10 Bedford - Bletchley 2-car Class 230. 10 passengers, with a small number getting on and off en-route.
16:15 Bletchley - Northampton 8-car (2xClass 350). Rear coach had 5, including myself.
17:12 Northampton - Rugby 8-car (2xClass 350) Rear coach of 1st unit at social distanced capacity.
17:47 Rugby - Stafford 8-car (2xClass 350) Rear coach had 11 passengers.
19:04 Stafford - Nuneaton 8-car (2xClass 350) rear coach of 1st unit had 6 passengers.
 

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Six people in my XC coach from Derby to Nottingham, yet when I did the text thing it came back “there is no seat availability for your requested journey”. I was on it anyway from BHM on an Advance to Derby, so just stayed put. Crazy system.
XC really need to get their act together, I did the same for the 11:51 NUN - MMO yesterday and got told the same, needless to say there was a fair few seats available.
 

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XC really need to get their act together, I did the same for the 11:51 NUN - MMO yesterday and got told the same, needless to say there was a fair few seats available.
Last week we had open return tickets on XC but had reservations on specific trains. (It cost only a few pounds more than off peak returns but we wanted flexibility for the return.) As far as I could tell the reservations kept changing as we passed stations, but in both directions users were sitting wherever they liked! Both trains were very light loaded even though the seat reservations seemed to be quite active. The trouble with XC is that with all the overlapping fairly short journeys it requires a game of musical chairs if all reservations are taken up. They very rarely are.
 

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MONDAY 7th JUNE.

10:16 Nuneaton - Coventry 2-car DMU - 12 passengers.
11:17 Coventry - Nuneaton (same as above) 10 passengers, 5 boarded at Bedworth too.
11:51 Nuneaton - Melton Mowbray 3-car Class 170, middle coach had 15 passengers.
13:15 Melton Mowbray - Bedford 4-car Class 222, 9 passengers although a fair few had gathered en-route.
15:10 Bedford - Bletchley 2-car Class 230. 10 passengers, with a small number getting on and off en-route.
16:15 Bletchley - Northampton 8-car (2xClass 350). Rear coach had 5, including myself.
17:12 Northampton - Rugby 8-car (2xClass 350) Rear coach of 1st unit at social distanced capacity.
17:47 Rugby - Stafford 8-car (2xClass 350) Rear coach had 11 passengers.
19:04 Stafford - Nuneaton 8-car (2xClass 350) rear coach of 1st unit had 6 passengers.

But 99% of schools in your area went back yesterday. The 1% accounting for odd inset days.
 
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My brother visited my family and I in aviemore on holiday today.

He was first on the 1011 Aberdeen to Inverness (158705) and said it was very busy.

He was then on the 1245 Inverness to aviemore (4 car HST), which the first coach was pretty empty and the rest of the coaches looked busy. The 1329 aviemore to Inverness (170412) which came in at the same time as my bothers train looked busy.

Most of the other trains I've seen in aviemore so far looked busy compared to the buses which looked empty
 

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11:45 Guildford to London Waterloo via Epsom

I saw 2 other people get on here the back. I got on in coach 3 and had it to myself.

These trains are currently only hourly, unlike the Cobham ones which are twice an hour.

I dutifully continued to wear my mask but with no one else in the carriage, it did seem overkill.

Still, one never knows the time when someone else might actually board carriage 3, before I alight at Epsom that is.

As it turned out the guard walked through the train at one point and finally at Leatherhead some people boarded the train. 7 people to be exact.

Once at Epsom I headed to platforms 1 and 2, thinking the train departed from there - it always seems to in peak morning rush hour but no it was platform 3, so back I went.

Once on the train, there were 2 other people in my carriage, which was the second one.

The train crawled between Cheam and Sutton, arriving a minute late.

Once at the barrier I couldn't see how to exit as above every gate on the beam was no exit circles. Turns out the right-hand gate was available. The person said I was the first person to look at these large no exit signs.

Perhaps they should remove them. I didn't bother saying anything though and I left. I can't imagine they would do anything even if I pointed it out

On the way back I got the late-running 15:13 from Sutton, which departed at 15:14. A number of people for off what I assume was coach 7 or 9. This left just me and 2 others in the coach.

I was heading to Epsom.

Once at Epsom, 1 minute late of course, I picked up a train to Guildford. A reasonable number got off but a reasonable amount were still on. Still plenty of space mind you. So it certainly wasn't packed. [Edit: Real Time Trains shies the train arrived on time but I'm sure it was late in].

I didn't count the people but at Guildford 6 of alighted. I was something like 2 coaches from the back.
 
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