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How busy are these 2 Southern trains?

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gray1404

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I know I've asked about one of these trains before but that was relating to a Friday before a bank holiday. So I wondered on a NORMAL Friday, how busy are these 2 trains in terms of of changes of getting a seat?

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Depart: East Croydon 2015/06/19 at 1711 SOUTHERN
Arrive Hove 2015/06/19 at 1801

and also the

Friday
Depart: Clapham Junction 1642 2015/06/19 at 1711 SOUTHERN
Arrive Brighton 2015/06/19 at 1739

For this second one would it be a case of getting on at the front and most likely a lot of people will get off at East Croydon?
 
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2nd one's a 12-car and there should be plenty of room, if not from Clapham Junction, then certainly from East Croydon. Friday's a quieter day for commuters, as there seems to be a large number of folk 'working from home' on Fridays on this line.
 

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Thanks, is the first one to Hove (which starts at London Bridge) likely to be packed and is it also a smaller set?
 
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