Holding trains

[ralphchadkirk]

Wuld this be a good time to ask the question:
Why exactly must we not flush in the station?

So the contents does not end up in a pile on the track. Admittedly, not much of a problem now with retention tanks.
It's vile to see (and not to mention the smell; you can tell when someone's had a bad curry!) piles of **** and **** soaked toilet paper on the track, and even worse when you're walking along the track. When the train's moving it gives it a chance to... spread out.

 

[MCR247]

Trains without retention tanks dump straight onto the track. Wouldn't be nice if that if that was in a station...

 

[Dolive22]

That was the obvious reason but I had always thought/hoped I was wrong. I hadn't managed to come up with much of a theory, the best I had was that it might interfere with emptying them which might be done at some stations.

Doesn't the ORR kick up a fuss (I almost said a stink) about track staff having a working environment that is, shall we say, contaminated?

 

[9K43]

I have worked Passenger Charters into York where facilities are available to tank and bag in the station.
Also whilst working a SRPS charter from York to Skipton and back to York, we took the ECS onto Neville Hill Depot to tank and bag, and to RR the train
Theres nowt worse than a train with no water to flush the bogs, and rubbish strewn all over the place.
In the summer, York is a popular location for charter trains to tank and bag.

 

[Dolive22]

Bag?

I have been, for ther first time in my life, excessively succinct.

 

[JoeGJ1984]

I remember seeing notices about not flushing toilets on trains in stations, but these don't seems to be around now. Last Saturday (at the London Midland great escape meet), I went home on a class 170 from Birmingham New Street that was delayed leaving because we had to wait for a driver. I had to go to the toilet while waiting and I looked for any message saying "Do not flush in station", but there was none. I presume the class 170s have retention tanks?

 

[scotsman]

I have worked Passenger Charters into York where facilities are available to tank and bag in the station.
Also whilst working a SRPS charter from York to Skipton and back to York, we took the ECS onto Neville Hill Depot to tank and bag, and to RR the train

Ta! (SRPS Steward)

 

[9K43]

In BR days the secondman of a passenger train of LHCS got paid about 35p for un/coupling LHCS. This was called dirt allowance.
When you get down to split LHCS from either the engine or another coach in a station there is more crap over the brake pipes and couplings of the stock.
The fourfoot is always covered in waste engine oil and human crap.
This is part of the filthy jobs that you have to do.

 

[ainsworth74]

I remember seeing notices about not flushing toilets on trains in stations, but these don't seems to be around now.

You won't as a fair bit of stock now has retention tanks. I'm thinking the last DMU's built without were the 158s and I'm not sure about EMU's but I think perhaps 318s were the last without retention tanks. Anything built after them will have them and that's quite a lot of units.

 

[RichmondCommu]

In BR days the secondman of a passenger train of LHCS got paid about 35p for un/coupling LHCS. This was called dirt allowance.
When you get down to split LHCS from either the engine or another coach in a station there is more crap over the brake pipes and couplings of the stock.
The fourfoot is always covered in waste engine oil and human crap.
This is part of the filthy jobs that you have to do.

35p??? For getting p*** and s*** on your hands, even with protective gloves on (i hope)??? I'd want more than a 35p bonus for doing that! Waste engine oil is one thing, that is something else!

 

[JoeGJ1984]

You won't as a fair bit of stock now has retention tanks. I'm thinking the last DMU's built without were the 158s and I'm not sure about EMU's but I think perhaps 318s were the last without retention tanks. Anything built after them will have them and that's quite a lot of units.

Hmmm, lucky it wasn't an ATW 158 that I was on (I don't remember any signs in those either about not flushing the toilets - I had a period of often travelling from Shrewsbury to Birmingham New Street and so have used both 158s and 170s on that route).

 

[9K43]

Bag?

I have been, for ther first time in my life, excessively succinct.

A train with 12 coaches on, filled to the boiler top with passengers makes a hell of a lot of rubbish.
So much so that stewards patrol the coaches clearing the compartments and other coaches of rubbish.
When stewards go up and down the train they take black dustbin bags and collect the rubish.
The rubbish is then disposed of at locations such as Craiginteeny, Oxford, York, Scarborough and Neville hill.
Thats where the saying tanking and bagging comes in.
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35p??? For getting p*** and s*** on your hands, even with protective gloves on (i hope)??? I'd want more than a 35p bonus for doing that! Waste engine oil is one thing, that is something else!

Any traincrew that touch anything below solebar level with out protective gloves and PPE is asking for trouble.
This dirt allowance was part of the BR agreements long since dispatched to the four winds.