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Slightly surprised they don't have a Glasgow. Blackpool is classically popular with Scots.

Probably little point going across the Pennines, wouldn't Yorkshire residents prefer to head for Whitby, Scarborough, Cleethorpes etc?
If you dig back into old pre NBC bus timetables there was a well established Yorkshire Blackpool offering. The Yorkshire companies & Ribble worked together and the services had J numbers. They dug out anything that could run in the high summer especially for the mill holiday weeks. And in Leeds despatched them from waste ground carports on Saturdays.
You can see these services in timetables on Timetable World. Going back to pre WW2!
 
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Slightly surprised they don't have a Glasgow. Blackpool is classically popular with Scots.

Probably little point going across the Pennines, wouldn't Yorkshire residents prefer to head for Whitby, Scarborough, Cleethorpes etc?
Blackpool Promotions/Tartan Travel run coaches to Blackpool from Glasgow every Monday and Friday, although not offering coach only travel they regularly offer some incredibly cheap coach package holidays starting from £69 for return coach travel and three/four nights hotel accommodation!
 

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Slightly surprised they don't have a Glasgow. Blackpool is classically popular with Scots.
That's normally provided in the summer season by Scottish Citylink. The route would seem popular though with Blackpool Promotions, Blackpool Breaks/Breaks2Go and Caledonian travel all offering at least weekly hotel and coach travel packages from stop throughout Scotland. It's not just Scotland too but the North East seems to be a lot of people wanting to head towards Blackpool. I do wonder why National Express hasn't tried to take on some of this market. The passenger sorts their hotel and NatEx just provides the travel (as per how most holidays work). I do feel like there could be some potential too for a kind of day trip thing if they timed that up. Get to Blackpool for say 11am, coach continues onto Manchester or something to maximise the Scotland-Manchester passenger markets. Return with a pickup from Blackpool around 7.30-9pm back up to Scotland.

East Midlands: Burton Upon Trent, Derby, Leicester, Northampton, Nottingham.
North East: Durham, Hartlepool, Newcastle, Northumberland and Washington.
Scotland: Alloa, Ayr, Bathgate, Cumbernauld, Dundee, Dunfermline, East Kilbride, Edinburgh, Falkirk, Glasgow, Glenrothes, Gretna-Green, Hamilton, Irvine, Kilmarnock, Kirkcaldy, Motherwell, Paisley, Perth and Stirling.
West Midlands: Birmingham, Coventry, Solihull, Stoke and Wolverhampton.
Yorkshire: Barnsley, Bradford, Doncaster, Huddersfield, Hull, Leeds, Rotherham, Harrogate, and Wakefield.
Scotland: Alloa, Ayr, Bathgate, Cumbernauld, Dundee, Dunfermline, East Kilbride, Edinburgh, Falkirk, Glasgow, Glenrothes, Gretna, Hamilton, Irvine, Kilmarnock, Kirkcaldy, Motherwell, Paisley, Stirling
North East: Newcastle, Gateshead, Heworth, Washington Galleries, Chester Le Street, Durham, Tudhoe Colliery, Spennymoor, Bishop Auckland, West Auckland, Staindrop, Barnard Castle, Bowes
Other areas offering coach packages but travel is on National Express

Probably little point going across the Pennines, wouldn't Yorkshire residents prefer to head for Whitby, Scarborough, Cleethorpes etc?
The above lists seem to suggest that there is demand from Yorkshire as Blackpool Promotions run such coaches.
 

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Certainly in the 80s and 90s, coach firms from all over the north used to do day excursions to Blackpool. They would typically arrive about 11 am and leave about 6 pm. Hardly anyone used National Express.
 

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Wen I worked for NX at Milton Keynes Coachway we wold have a service going to Blackpool every morning that had come from VCS always well loaded and that would be a "Dekka"
 

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There is more family connections between North Wales and Liverpool but given the distance, most people would get the train instead. Why get bogged down to a once per day coach when you can get a train every 15 minutes to Chester and change onto a half hourly (or so) train onwards. I've seen a good few 'drivers sheets' for NatEx on the 175 service and the loadings are more Manchester to Liverpool and Manchester to North Wales. Not as much Liverpool to North Wales. Add to that, who wants to be getting to their hotel at 7pm? People want to be there for midday to spend an hour before checking in and then dump the bags and go out. For coming home, who wants picking up at 9.30. That's still breakfast time for many. The 175 is ran from the wrong end of the route really but sadly the demand isn't there to make it a twice per day service. Even with the ongoing rail strikes, there is loads of capacity available. At least 19 seats available for tomorrow (Saturday 7th Sept). It won't let me try to book more than that but 19 seats available is bonkers. Fully booked though from Liverpool to Manchester.
Those 'Cultural' connections you speak of. I don't think county lines drug dealers like paying for fares and so prefer to freeload on the train rather than paying up for the coach. They are the main people travelling from North Wales to Liverpool! Biggest county lines in the UK I believe.


The only benefit of NatEx versus train was stopping outside some of the resorts but that also meant there were far too many stops. Between Llandudno and Talacre, there were 18 stops. That's a hell of a lot for NatEx. NatEx want faster buses with less stops. Seaside towns as a whole aren't really that big of a thing for National Express, they don't seem to want that market. It's only since Covid that Blackpool had only gained a half decent service and that is an extremely popular town for northerners going for time away.

I mean, Chester, a tourist hotspot city with 10k students, they can't be bothered providing any meaningful service there, what hope do dying seaside resorts have? Rhyls 'season' is now reduced as well to what seems like around 3 months. Mid June, July, August and Mid September. It's not viable to run a service via these areas (bearing in mind the huge time penalty) for such little gain.
I don't about County Lines but, as someone who used to work for National Express, the North Wales market was historically a decent market from Easter through to end Sep. Rhyl may not be your choice (or mine) but from Liverpool, it most certainly was/is. Hence the raft of holiday camps from Talacre through to Abergele. Certainly, summer Saturdays were a busy market throughout the high season with dupes through to Pensarn. For that demographic, the coach was certainly the preferred choice rather than the train. With pressure on domestic budgets, I'm not surprised that the option of a week in North Wales and cheap coach travel and being taken to almost the front door is why the route is returning in 2023.

Chester is similar to York. A relatively upmarket holiday destination so not really the same demographic.

Slightly surprised they don't have a Glasgow. Blackpool is classically popular with Scots.

Probably little point going across the Pennines, wouldn't Yorkshire residents prefer to head for Whitby, Scarborough, Cleethorpes etc?

If you want to know where people (usually demographics D and E) go on holiday by coach (in general - these were the main flows)....
  • East Midlands go to Skegness
  • Greater Glasgow go to Blackpool
  • West Midlands go to either Weston super Mare or Rhyl (or Minehead at a push)
  • Mancs go to Blackpool or Scarborough
  • Londoners go to Great Yarmouth (Hemsby) or Brighton for a day trip
  • North East go to Blackpool
  • Leeds to Scarborough/Bridlington
National Express traditionally didn't have the North East to Blackpool routes historically - that was firms such as Primrose and possibly OK.

Whilst the UK coach market has changed in the last 20 years, and resorts have declined, I'd contend that those flows still hold relatively true. One flow that has really died was when Butlins at Pwllheli closed to be replaced by a Haven caravan park - used to send deckers there on a Summer Saturday. The stuff of legend!!

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Wen I worked for NX at Milton Keynes Coachway we wold have a service going to Blackpool every morning that had come from VCS always well loaded and that would be a "Dekka"
When I worked for NX, it was fairly good for Glasgow to Blackpool and then we had the old Fairs Fortnight that, again much reduced and less observed, still led to some big spikes in demand o_O
 

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I don't about County Lines but, as someone who used to work for National Express, the North Wales market was historically a decent market from Easter through to end Sep. Rhyl may not be your choice (or mine) but from Liverpool, it most certainly was/is. Hence the raft of holiday camps from Talacre through to Abergele. Certainly, summer Saturdays were a busy market throughout the high season with dupes through to Pensarn. For that demographic, the coach was certainly the preferred choice rather than the train. With pressure on domestic budgets, I'm not surprised that the option of a week in North Wales and cheap coach travel and being taken to almost the front door is why the route is returning in 2023.

Chester is similar to York. A relatively upmarket holiday destination so not really the same demographic.



If you want to know where people (usually demographics D and E) go on holiday by coach (in general - these were the main flows)....
  • East Midlands go to Skegness
  • Greater Glasgow go to Blackpool
  • West Midlands go to either Weston super Mare or Rhyl (or Minehead at a push)
  • Mancs go to Blackpool or Scarborough
  • Londoners go to Great Yarmouth (Hemsby) or Brighton for a day trip
  • North East go to Blackpool
  • Leeds to Scarborough/Bridlington
National Express traditionally didn't have the North East to Blackpool routes historically - that was firms such as Primrose and possibly OK.

Whilst the UK coach market has changed in the last 20 years, and resorts have declined, I'd contend that those flows still hold relatively true. One flow that has really died was when Butlins at Pwllheli closed to be replaced by a Haven caravan park - used to send deckers there on a Summer Saturday. The stuff of legend!!
I live in the East Midlands in an ex mining village. We have photos of lines of coaches ready to take our miners to Skegness for their annual holiday. Mablethorpe was another option. I have been to both, not an experience I would want to repeat. But each to their own.
 

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I don't about County Lines but, as someone who used to work for National Express, the North Wales market was historically a decent market from Easter through to end Sep. Rhyl may not be your choice (or mine) but from Liverpool, it most certainly was/is. Hence the raft of holiday camps from Talacre through to Abergele. Certainly, summer Saturdays were a busy market throughout the high season with dupes through to Pensarn. For that demographic, the coach was certainly the preferred choice rather than the train. With pressure on domestic budgets, I'm not surprised that the option of a week in North Wales and cheap coach travel and being taken to almost the front door is why the route is returning in 2023.

Chester is similar to York. A relatively upmarket holiday destination so not really the same demographic.



If you want to know where people (usually demographics D and E) go on holiday by coach (in general - these were the main flows)....
  • East Midlands go to Skegness
  • Greater Glasgow go to Blackpool
  • West Midlands go to either Weston super Mare or Rhyl (or Minehead at a push)
  • Mancs go to Blackpool or Scarborough
  • Londoners go to Great Yarmouth (Hemsby) or Brighton for a day trip
  • North East go to Blackpool
  • Leeds to Scarborough/Bridlington
National Express traditionally didn't have the North East to Blackpool routes historically - that was firms such as Primrose and possibly OK.

Whilst the UK coach market has changed in the last 20 years, and resorts have declined, I'd contend that those flows still hold relatively true. One flow that has really died was when Butlins at Pwllheli closed to be replaced by a Haven caravan park - used to send deckers there on a Summer Saturday. The stuff of legend!!

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When I worked for NX, it was fairly good for Glasgow to Blackpool and then we had the old Fairs Fortnight that, again much reduced and less observed, still led to some big spikes in demand o_O
Morecambe and Blackpool were also drawing punters from W Yorks. The Morecambe rail line from Leeds/Bradford was busy on Saturdays in the 70's, with some very long classic MU consists
And the joint coah services from W Yorks. 1968 Yorkshire Woollen bus timetable has this. Note, Hebble, West Riding and West Yorkshire Road car were active in the Yorkshire - Blackpool joint services
Link goes to image of West Yorks - Blackpool bus service timetable image - https://timetableworld.com/ttw-viewer.php?token=cb009f75-a2b1-4bcd-9632-decdec4026e0
 

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And the joint coah services from W Yorks. 1968 Yorkshire Woollen bus timetable has this. Note, Hebble, West Riding and West Yorkshire Road car were active in the Yorkshire - Blackpool joint services
Link goes to image of West Yorks - Blackpool bus service timetable image - https://timetableworld.com/ttw-viewer.php?token=cb009f75-a2b1-4bcd-9632-decdec4026e0
And in Summer 1968 West Yorkshire Road Car (and friends) were running up to 6 services a day Leeds - Bradford - Keighley - Blackpool, a weekly Leeds - Pudsey - Blackpool, and up to six a day from Skipton to Blackpool (some from Harrogate or Otley).


I think your link is 1966.
 

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And in Summer 1968 West Yorkshire Road Car (and friends) were running up to 6 services a day Leeds - Bradford - Keighley - Blackpool, a weekly Leeds - Pudsey - Blackpool, and up to six a day from Skipton to Blackpool (some from Harrogate or Otley).


I think your link is 1966.
you are right. sorry. My book too.....
 

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534 Glasgow to Hull via Edinburgh, Gala and Newcastle. I remember using this service around ten years ago from Glasgow to Newcastle. Was operated by Parks, what happened to them doing National Express work. All Bruces in Scotland
 

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The old PMT and many local independents, would run regular Saturday sevices from Hanley to Blackpool, North Wales and many other resorts & through to the takeover by National Express. Even then the independents continued, and some still do, although they mostly tend to offer packages, you can still book travel only. I remember booking a local independent from Hanley to Weymouth on a Saturday in about 1983.
In the 90s especially, I used to regularly turn up to catch the 8pm National Express coach to Blackpool, buying my ticket from the driver. On one occasion, the main service must have been full, and they sent a duplicate, on which I was the only passenger for the whole journey!
 
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Up until March 2020 there were 2 services from Plymouth to Blackpool. 328 and 532 which both went via Bristol and Birmingham and both were worked by Parks. There was also a 333 Bournemouth to Blackpool service which was Travellers Choice but I think eventually became Parks too.

Sadly all of these got suspended at the start of lockdown and never came back.

I seem to recall the 532 was double manned and the same drivers worked up to Blackpool and then back to Plymouth on the same day but think the 328 involved a driver swap or two. I guess that the 333 involved the driver overnighting in Bournemouth?
 

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Does anyone remember a service called the Newtowner, an interesting idea dreamed up somewhere which connected such new towns as Hemel Hempstead, Welwyn Harlow and Basildon (from memory)? It may have run between Birmingham and Southend which was an old Midland Red route iirc. Date circa 1976 which I certainly travelled on.
Would be interesting to see any timetables.
Not long afterwards you could catch a National Express from SE Essex to South Shields.... it certainly called in at Sheffield.
 
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A recent addition to my bus timetable collection.

(Image shows cover of the 1978 Summer timetable)
 

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Macclesfield used to have a National Express service. I'm not sure when it stoppe, thought I don't remember seeing one at the current bus station.

Chelmsford used have (Birkenhead ?) To Southend via Stoke-on-Trent , Birmingham, Birmingham Airport, Coventry, Daventry Northampton , Bedford, St Neots, Cambridge, Trumpington Park and Ride, Bishop Stortford, Chelmsford, Basildon.

There was one up to a few years ago which went from Birkenhead/Liverpool to Clacton and Jaywick via Stoke-on-Trent.
 
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Buxton also had a London National Express service until relatively recently - started in Manchester . I seem to remember it also served New Mills Newtown ( The Swan )
 

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Does anyone remember a service called the Newtowner, an interesting idea dreamed up somewhere which connected such new towns as Hemel Hempstead, Welwyn Harlow and Basildon (from memory)? It may have run between Birmingham and Southend which was an old Midland Red route iirc. Date circa 1976 which I certainly travelled on.
Would be interesting to see any timetables.
Not long afterwards you could catch a National Express from SE Essex to South Shields.... it certainly called in at Sheffield.
The branding sounds vaguely familiar. It isn't shown in my 1970 Brentwood area timetable but I certainly took a coach from Birmingham to Brentwood in the mid/late 70s. I remember that I was quite queezy by the time we arrived and haven't used a long distance coach since.
 

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Going back about 15 years I seem to recall there being a Liverpool to Clacton service and another one that (I think) might have gone from Southend to Birkenhead. Got a feeling the Liverpool to Southend service was numbered either 303 or 305 and the Liverpool to Clacton service was numbered 350. Also got a feeling the terminus destinations on the two services swapped around at some point.

I experienced the 350 for a quick trip between Leicester and Nottingham and the 305 for a quick trip between Coventry and Birmingham and on both occasions Selwyns were working the service. My trip on the 305 was actually on Easter Monday 2012 and was the first ever time I rode on a Plaxton Elite.
 

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Going back about 15 years I seem to recall there being a Liverpool to Clacton service and another one that (I think) might have gone from Southend to Birkenhead. Got a feeling the Liverpool to Southend service was numbered either 303 or 305 and the Liverpool to Clacton service was numbered 350. Also got a feeling the terminus destinations on the two services swapped around at some point.

I experienced the 350 for a quick trip between Leicester and Nottingham and the 305 for a quick trip between Coventry and Birmingham and on both occasions Selwyns were working the service. My trip on the 305 was actually on Easter Monday 2012 and was the first ever time I rode on a Plaxton Elite.
Liverpool to Clacton was 350 in the mid and late 90s. I used it between Nottingham and Cambridge several times. Although Grantham was a point on the timetable we never called there.
 

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National Express did have a Glasgow to Blackpool service. It was the 542, but it very rarely if ever operated with a National Express coach.
 

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Selwyns 1998ish had:
550 Liverpool London (or from Hoylake/ S'port/Bhead)
545 Bangor London
551 Liverpool London late service
738 Liverpool Glasgow
303 Liverpool Oxford Southsea
350 Liverpool Southend
383 Wrexham Newcastle Edinburgh
327 Liverpool Bristol Weymouth
060 Liverpool Manchester Leeds
420 Stafford Birmingham London
421 Night car Manchester London
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I remember a Liverpool to Southsea which was Go North East. The coach would park up overnight at Liverpool Norton Street coach station then head out the following morning on the early 380 Liverpool to Newcastle

A couple of 545s were Birkenhead to London as well; I think Selwyns had that contract too.

I remember one of the daily variations of the 550 from Hoylake to London, which went via West Kirby, Heswall, Arrowe Park, Birkenhead, Liverpool, Widnes, Runcorn then on to London. I caught it one day late 90s from Arrowe Park to London.
 
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National Express did have a Glasgow to Blackpool service. It was the 542, but it very rarely if ever operated with a National Express coach.
I vaguely remember that service. Think it was a seasonal service which only ran on specific days of the week and my understanding is that the operators were independents who used their own vehicles rather than NX one.

Remember sampling a 543 service once that was run by Parks and ran between Glasgow and Southampton. I had a ride on it between Birmingham and Coventry solely because there was a Jonckheere SHV coach on there and I'd never ridden one before at that point.
 

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Citylink do a Glasgow to Blackpool in the summer and like the National Express service , was not a Citylink coach.

I have noticed the 591 Edinburgh to London via Newcastle overnight is no more.
 
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Bartons used to do a coach service from Manchester to Norwich via Nottingham. It took5 hours from Nottingham to Norwich. Unless you were a diehard coach fan, even a class 25 with Mk1 coaches looked good in comparison .
 
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Thinking back when the express shuttle first started, either late 95 or early 96, one of the routes was 360 Liverpool to Manchester & 361 Manchester to Leeds merged & became the 060 Liverpool to Leeds via Manchester.

The idea behind it was to introduce a daily hourly express shuttle between cities, so that passengers can turn up & go, & don't have to prebook.

I remember a Leeds to Sheffield express shuttle that didn't last long.

What were the other express shuttle routes?
 
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