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Hilarious explanation for wrong train with an Advance single

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mumrar

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Just had an absolute fail of an explanation for having Advance from New Street on an earlier service than the one travelled on.

Cust : "We were on time but we missed the train."
Me : "You clearly were not on time, otherwise you would be on the train. Unless you're saying it left early?"
Cust : "No, it left four minutes late, but we didn't quite make it."

Ching ching!
 
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Just had an absolute fail of an explanation for having Advance from New Street on an earlier service than the one travelled on.

Cust : "We were on time but we missed the train."
Me : "You clearly were not on time, otherwise you would be on the train. Unless you're saying it left early?"
Cust : "No, it left four minutes late, but we didn't quite make it."

Ching ching!

What a fine fail!!! They never learn...

Only last week I encountered a lady who was using an SDS ex Cov for an advance ex New St ticket combo, but the train from Coventry was allegedly late. I was suspicious so asked which train she'd caught from Coventry - and sure enough, Genius Mobile told me that the train she claimed she's caught from Cov left on time and arrived at New St on time! Nice try love, this time it's an SOS with no discount. Next time it'll be a TIR.....
 

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I had one once out of Manchester towards Leeds:

Me : " This ticket was booked for an hour ago, I'm afraid it's not valid on this train"
Passenger : "But my train from Shrewsbury was late, I missed the connection"
Me : "Did the Guard or a member of staff give you a note or mark on your ticket?"
Passenger : "No, but the bloke on the platform said it would be ok"
Me : " Do you have the reservation coupons for your previous train?"
Passenger hands me reservation coupons for a certain train.
Me : "Ok, I'll just go and and check"
I make phone call to control and find out the train they were booked on from Shrewsbury left on time, and arrived at Manchester 3 mins early.
Me : "That train you should have been on left Shrewsbury on time and..."
Interrupted...
Passenger : "Yeah, but we missed that train so we thought we could catch any train, the bloke on the station said..."
Me : "So, the train you should have been on wasn't late, you just missed it?"
Passenger : "Yeah, but our bus from X was late so...."
Me : "That'll be £xx.xx please"
Passenger :"But that bloke said..."
 

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There are some very generous "blokes on the platform" going around our railway system!
 

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There are some very generous "blokes on the platform" going around our railway system!

Which makes it all the more annoying when a "bloke on the platform" genuinely does say he'll have a word with the conductor, and then fails to do so!

(A few years ago - Advance ticket on ToD, total comms failure in the station. Fortunately, the conductor was reasonable enough to accept my story, having seen the email on my phone...)
 

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What a fine fail!!! They never learn...

Only last week I encountered a lady who was using an SDS ex Cov for an advance ex New St ticket combo, but the train from Coventry was allegedly late. I was suspicious so asked which train she'd caught from Coventry - and sure enough, Genius Mobile told me that the train she claimed she's caught from Cov left on time and arrived at New St on time! Nice try love, this time it's an SOS with no discount. Next time it'll be a TIR.....

Sorry, but for the benefit of us oldies, could you please explain what 'fine fail' means please?
 

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Sorry, but for the benefit of us oldies, could you please explain what 'fine fail' means please?

Fine in this instance means "good". As in "Shearer scored a fine goal".
 

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Thanks for explaining 'fine fail' to me, although I can see both sides of the argument here.

On one hand, we have the customer choosing instead to board an earlier service because the one he was booked on left 4 minutes late. On the other, we have a guard being accused of being indiscreet when he is probably only doing his job.

The fact is these tickets are poorly advertised wherever you go and we have probably one of the most complex ticketing systems in the whole of Europe. I hold my hands up that I've boarded the wrong train on an Advance ticket and was chastised for it, but the guard was polite and explained the rules. This would've been far better had I known about the rules regarding Advance tickets prior to boarding.

We're not asking for measures that 'pander to those who break the terms of their tickets'. Better explanations about the rules of each of these individual tickets, coupled with the do's/don'ts associated with them, would make both passenger's journeys and guard's jobs easier. It isn't a big ask, just more of a big do from those that seem reluctant to give explanations about the tickets and leave them to the guards instead.

In the end, we all win, something which, IMO, is rare given the madness of our current ticketing system.
 

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WelshBB - That depends on the plausibility of their story, and what question they asked. No way will I allow somebody with 'booked train only' printed on the ticket to try and claim 'the bloke on the station said....'. Let's face it - there's no need to be asking the question as to whether you can use an earlier train is there! If on the other hand, I find people who have been done over by a genuine incident outside of their control, then discretion can and does come into play.
 

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Very true Ferret, why are people asking when the ticket booking online and the people in booking offices all tell them the situation regarding booked train only? They're chancing their arms. I wouldn't mind but they never just come out and say they want to travel earlier, they always say stuff like 'I clicked the wrong train' - what along with confirm after re-checking the booking? Or I had one blaming the arrival time of a flight and clocks going back in Copenhagen, to which I reminded them airlines will always define arrival time by the local clock, so that just doesn't wash.
 

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Had a "Barbra Wodehouse" type a few weeks ago, "The man on the platform said I could travel, are you calling me a liar?"

"Yes I am calling you a liar, because I am the man you spoke to and I told you it would cost you extra if you got on this train"...

At this stage, Advance tickets are so well publicized that pretty much anybody who says "I wasn't told" is chancing their arm.
 
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