I could see the case for a different route in winter, but I would dispute that the width of the road means that it is a non-starter. As I said, the 199 heads through roads that barely fit the bus on a good day!
Hulleys often used Evoras on the 257 when it ran via Winnats without any trouble. The biggest issue you get is when some cyclist decides to be a hero and crawls up at 2mph holding all the traffic up as the road isn't wide enough to overtake safely. There is a good case for a foot and cycle path being built beside the road to be honest.
Great then, shouldn't be an issue, apart from in winter. I don't think the PDNP would permit a shared use path alongside sadly, due to concerns about the impact on the landscape.
I guess makes sence although hulleys evoras used it but was wondering why they don't just take the 62 up there into chapel then buxton as it saves about 20 mins and edale don't really need a bus due to train and they can still serve mam tor along the main road and potentially blue John cavern where stagecoach peak sightseer turns around the turning circle by the main road which I think makes more sence as they can use the bsip from the 62 and extend the 272 they now run from sheffield to chaple then buxton which may allow connections for manchester.
There’s no train from Buxton / Chapel to Edale so the bus is very useful. When I’ve seen it there have been quite a few walkers getting off at Edale.
One of the important links has ended up as the to/from Edale Station for Castleton & Mam Tor as well as a Buxton/Chapel to/from Castleton link so even if the depot acquiesced to Winnats Pass a extension up to Edale Station would still be wanted which makes issues interworking with the 272. A point to remember on this is that High Peak don't run all the 272 (& it isn't alternate trips which would give an even timetable) and whilst First exist you can't necessarily make a useful or workable timetable that runs to Buxton that fits schedules, resources and needs for both halves.
I was under the impression that Dove Holes won't be getting any of the Evora allocation
Last I heard they weren't as the original plan had changed but I can't guarantee that someone won't change the plan again or circumstances change the requirements. Any plan may change until the buses arrive depending on the needs of the business. They are due some new buses of their own this year, the two short E200MMCs are only on loan from Leicester, but what & when has changed a couple of times so details are unclear.
Bus Lists on the Web lists the other as YX25OJV, although that said, that and OJW are shown as for D&G there!
And what is a fun sized Solo? An 18 seat one?
No, in this case, 28 seats. Maybe it was like a TARDIS..Smaller on the outside, bigger on the inside.
Edale's links are useful as others have said, walkers heading for Kinder Scout and Castleton in the other direction. I can't see extension of the 272 all the way to Buxton going down well with Stagecoach, plus Chapel is a better hub for passengers (shorter ride to Manchester Airport/Stockport/Hazel Grove) and High Peak (easier to reach from Dove Holes depot with several routes a smaller bus can get up I believe, while Dove Holes depot into Buxton only has one real way in down the virtual car park that is Fairfield Road without miles of diversions).
Then they’ll divert the service like any other operator would on any other unsuitable road in icy conditions. For example - Stagecoach Oldham don’t serve the top of sholver on their 82s in Icy weather.
Amen to that. As one of the regular 257c drivers theres absolutely no issues with taking a bus up winnats pass if you actually know the size of your vehicle - those that don’t so well can expect to be waiting all day as theres absolutely no chance anyone is waiting to let you up!
And to think it's not long since High Peak were threatening to withdraw the service, claiming poor loadings...
I noticed that last year when I used the Transpeak. I wondered if it was to avoid buses 'meeting' - it's notable that the Red Peak Sightseer follows the same direction through Ashford. The roads are fairly narrow and parking gets worse by the year, so I'd imagine if two buses did meet it could be troublesome.
To be fair that was between Derby and Matlock, I don't think anyone could argue Matlock to Buxton wasn't profitable!
The problem was actually the turn out of the north end of the village back onto the A6, a combination of road speed and a slight bend south of the junction meant concerns were raised around buses pulling out (fast moving cars finding slow moving, but accelerating, buses unexpectedly around a corner).
Yes, it makes sense regarding turning back onto the A6 northbound, but it might be an idea for Derbyshire County Council/High Peak to remove all the TransPeak bus stop flags that are on the wrong side of the road seeing as though the TransPeak no longer observes them…!
Sounds about right that the council would make the bus operators take the pain of solving the problem! It would seem much more sensible to extend the 40 limit an extra mile or so out of Bakewell to beyond this junction. You've got a busy junction with the A6020 and foot traffic near the Sheepwash Bridge that would also benefit from the reduction, and let's face it, 10mph slower for a mile is going to add 20 seconds to your journey.
Might need a speed camera as well though for the motorcyclists!
They could update the one between Bakewell and Ashford that has X18 on while they are at it!
This would completely butcher the reliability of the sixes, which is already fairly unsteady during high season. The Transpeak and Sixes, despite having similar routes, serve quite different clientele. TP is better for longer journeys from Derby/Belper to Matlock/Buxton, 6.1 is better for more local journeys around Belper and Wirksworth. Merging them would slow down the service as a whole and make the bus a much less attractive way to travel. Remember there is also a rail service that would take these passengers away if you messed around too much with the bus services, so the operators have to be careful with their decision making
This would infact complicate matters and increase costs. If it works under one operator, why would you introduce a second one?
If I've read your comment right, you want to rebrand Transpeak to make another service under the Sixes brand? I think that would also complicate the running of the Sixes and hinder the reliability, as I mentioned above its better to differentiate the two brands for the different types of passenger
No, leave Transpeak alone. The general travelling public aren't interested in it being a silent partner in Wellglade and probably consider it the express along that corridor..
