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Help with Govia Thames Link Prosecution Letter Please

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Risotto

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Please can you advise us on whether this is an appropriate response to Govia Thameslink intention to prosecute letter, following a witness statement please. Im helping my son write this and plan to attach snapshots of his trainline purchases.

My son thought his weekly ticket was valid. I think I've added the reasoning within the reply. I've given the original letter to my sister at the moment to get her advice too, so don't have it to hand.

Please can you advise us if we should take anything out/ add. This has been so stressful and I feel partly responsible as I usually remind him :(



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Dear Prosecutions Manager at Govia thameslink,


Thank you for giving me the opportunity to explain my actions relating to the incident that took place on 01/04/2025.

Firstly I would like to sincerely apologise to Govia Thames link and for the time and administration costs this matter has caused. I fully understand the large scale of revenue losses that Train companies face as a result of fare evasion and how unacceptable it is.

At the time of the offence I was a 2nd year chef student at Westminster Kingsway. I generally buy monthly season tickets, but this is sometimes weekly or daily depending on the length of my term-time, location, rotation and hours. I am hard working. My days at college vary, but I attach evidence that I have always purchased tickets, whether seasonal or otherwise dependent on my required college attendance each week/month.

On the day of the offence, I boarded the train at London Victoria, under the belief I had a valid ‘trainline’ weekly season ticket and 18-25 Railcard for my journey to Lewes Sussex. When my ticket showed expired and failed to scan at Victoria. I assumed this must be a glitch and showed the barrier attendants. They looked and allowed me through.

When my ticket was challenged by Govia Staff during the journey around Gatwick, I was still convinced that there was a mistake. Maybe I needed to reload the app, as I was certain it was a misunderstanding. A passenger even offered to buy a ticket for me, but as I was sadly wrongly convinced I had a valid ticket, I declined their offer. I would in no way intentionally travel without a ticket, this was a mistake on my behalf having bought a ticket on Tuesday for 7 days. I assumed it would expire on Tuesday. When I got home, my mum explained that due to staying the night with friends after college, the ticket expired and the inspector was absolutely right. I felt such a fool. I was and still am embarrassed.

Since this event, I have been extremely careful when purchasing rail tickets to note and note again the expiry. Plus a valuable lesson has been learnt to trust the automation system and if in any doubt to just buy another ticket. I assure you that this will not happen again.

Whilst my explanation above does not serve as an excuse, I take full responsibility for my actions and with my future ahead of me, I would sincerely request that this matter does not go to court prosecution as it would affect my career and potentially the future of my college course.

I am keen to resolve this matter as quickly as possible without the need for court action and would greatly appreciate it if you would allow me to pay the outstanding fare and any administrative costs and/or fine which you feel necessary.

I am very remorseful for not being on the ball and my misunderstanding that has lead to this event. It was a mistake that wont happen again. This incident has caused an unpleasant level of distress and embarrassment to me and my family and I hope to have a conclusion soon.



Many thanks for your understanding.


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John R

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One thing puzzles me is the reference to both a season ticket and an 18-25 railcard, as that railcard doesn’t allow discounts on season tickets.

But overall, whilst a bit on the long side, it comes across as very genuine, contrite and apologetic.
 

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One thing puzzles me is the reference to both a season ticket and an 18-25 railcard, as that railcard doesn’t allow discounts on season tickets.
Indeed. Noted that there is no such thing as a '18-25 railcard'. It'll likely be either a 16-17 Saver railcard or a 16-25 railcard, which have different terms and conditions. @Risotto. Could you clarify what ticket or tickets were held for the problem journey from London Victoria to Lewes and what was the price paid for same. Appreciate that one of the tickets *may* have been a season ticket which had expired already. Be useful also to have a look at the letter received from GTR (could you upload this when you can) to see what exactly is being replied to. When doing so, please ensure that any name, address + reference ID is suitably redacted.
 

Risotto

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One thing puzzles me is the reference to both a season ticket and an 18-25 railcard, as that railcard doesn’t allow discounts on season tickets.

But overall, whilst a bit on the long side, it comes across as very genuine, contrite and apologetic.
Ah, sorry I put in railcard as I know that keeps one up to date and it is valid for some of the tickets he purchases in his history. I can take that out and make it shorter where I've doubled up on apologies? Thank you John

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Indeed. Noted that there is no such thing as a '18-25 railcard'. It'll likely be either a 16-17 Saver railcard or a 16-25 railcard, which have different terms and conditions. @Risotto. Could you clarify what ticket or tickets were held for the problem journey from London Victoria to Lewes and what was the price paid for same. Appreciate that one of the tickets *may* have been a season ticket which had expired already. Be useful also to have a look at the letter received from GTR (could you upload this when you can) to see what exactly is being replied to. When doing so, please ensure that any name, address + reference ID is suitably redacted.
Sorry, you're right. He has the 16-25 railcard. He bought a weekly season for £142 on the 25th March and then purchased another of the same on the 2nd April. There was mistakenly no valid ticket on the 1st April :(
Yes, I will aim to upload as soon as I get it back from my sister later.

Thank you for all your help so far

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@John R & @Mcr Warrior - Please find attached the letter received.

Many thanks

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Apologies @John R & @Mcr Warrior
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Blinkbonny

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I doubt very much that this would proceed to a prosecution providing you are prepared to pay the missing fare plus expense contribution.

Though Tuesday to Tuesday inclusive is self-evidently eight days!
 

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Wrong offence on the letter again! You say you did hand over your ticket for inspection, even thinking it was valid, so might argue you were not guilty of that particular offence.
Plus the problem should have been spotted at Victoria but wasn't, so the railway must share some culpability - if it had been spotted as it should have been, the train wouldn't have been boarded (the real offence) with this ticket and there'd have been no "crime" to prosecute. Maybe even worth arguing this negligence in failing to interpret the code displayed on the barrier correctly or to check the ticket properly amounted to permission to travel etc.

Usually though, whatever the rights and wrongs of the train company's behaviour, people don't argue and just ask for a settlement and pay it.
 
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