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CommuterToBe

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I have been un/fortunate? never to have had to commute before.
I was recently made redundant but have the chance of a job which will involve my first commuting from Wimbledon to Chertsey.
I seemed to have spent hours looking at various sites just trying to find out how much a monthly Season Ticket would be (different prices on different Sites !) and am getting to the point where I won't bother with the job if it's going to be that difficult unless of course some kindly, informed soul on this Forum can point me in the right direction which would be much appreciated.
I don't even know how long a Season Ticket month is...????

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You can find Travelcard and point-to-point Season prices here:
http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/en/s/seasonticket/tickets

I don't think a Zones 3-6 Travelcard would suffice as the journey is likely to be via Clapham Jn. So either the point-to-point or Zone 2-6 Travelcard would be required.

A season ticket can be for 1 week, or any period between 1 month and 12 months. It is often best to buy them in 5 week blocks (or longer, depending on bank holidays, annual leave etc)
 

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First point: Chertsey is way outside the travelcard area, so unless you regularly need to do something else as well as Wimbledon to Chertsey you'll only need a point to point ticket.

Secondly: I've just called SWT customer services and they are as confused as me. They will be sening me an email later in the week once they've investigated further. To cut a long story short there are two sensible routes. The quickest is via Webridge while the other option is via Clapham Junction. Both are given fares requiring only one ticket on the NRES Journey Planner. This suggests that both routes are covered by the cheapest of the three season ticket prices which is described as "Travel is allowed by any route option shown by the Journey Planner where the journey can be made using only one ticket." I asked the man at SWT what the point of the other two tickets was and he said that that was a very good question. I'll post anything further on here when I get it.

In the meantime, SWT say that their understanding is that the £179.40 monthly ticket is valid via Weybridge. Hope that helps.
 

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Something people don't realise about season tickets is just how flexible they are. I know lots of people who buy weekly or monthly tickets because they don't want to lock themselves in for a whole year. But with annual season tickets it is possible to move jobs and transfer the season ticket by paying any extra or getting a refund if it is cheaper. Also if you decide the the train is not for you you can get a refund on any unused time (obviously minus the financial benefit you gof from purchasing a annual ticket rather than for the time period you actually kept it for.
As well as the benefits of a larger saving with the annual over monthlies there are sometimes other perks like getting a Gold Card if your in the south east (which for some reason makes you special) and I get 6 free journeys on SWT because my ticket is with them.
Also I have found that the website season ticket calculators haven't been hugely accurate, they give you a good rough figure but ask at ticket offices for what it actually costs being careful to get one with the correct route restrictions.
 

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It's probably worth pointing out that many sites, especially the non- "First Party" (TOC to us) ones, are quite unreliable with their prices because they include booking fees, which in theory amounts to their commission. So the price you would find on the South West Trains site should be the most accurate, and fairest, and failing that National Rail Enquiries. In terms of the route, you would need to change at Weybridge, as advised above, but the train will probably be advertised as not continuing to Waterloo when in reality it does. So if you hear one announcement on the platform at Weybridge, and another on board the train at (or after) Weybridge, don't worry about it; you will still end up at Chertsey. They never seem to update on board in the same way that they do at stations.
 

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If it's any help, in NFM08 the flows routed Clapham Junction and Weybridge are both defined between clusters Q063 (Haydons Road, South Merton, Tooting, Raynes Park, Wimbledon, Earlsfield and Wimbledon Chase) and Q423 (Addlestone, Chertsey, Egham, Sunningdale, Longcross and Virginia Water) while the cheaper flow routed Any Permitted is specifically defined between Chertsey and Wimbledon only.
 

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If it's any help, in NFM08 the flows routed Clapham Junction and Weybridge are both defined between clusters Q063 (Haydons Road, South Merton, Tooting, Raynes Park, Wimbledon, Earlsfield and Wimbledon Chase) and Q423 (Addlestone, Chertsey, Egham, Sunningdale, Longcross and Virginia Water) while the cheaper flow routed Any Permitted is specifically defined between Chertsey and Wimbledon only.

That makes a lot of sense. Why can't the calculator explain that too?
 

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Maybe that's a rhetorical question? :) I guess it can't see inside the structure of the fares database or doesn't want to let people know the other stations they could buy the ticket to/from for exactly the same price? (I used my own software for reading the NFM files...) Like I said I don't know the area so it doesn't mean much to me!
 

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It's probably worth pointing out that many sites, especially the non- "First Party" (TOC to us) ones, are quite unreliable with their prices because they include booking fees, which in theory amounts to their commission. So the price you would find on the South West Trains site should be the most accurate, and fairest, and failing that National Rail Enquiries. In terms of the route, you would need to change at Weybridge, as advised above, but the train will probably be advertised as not continuing to Waterloo when in reality it does. So if you hear one announcement on the platform at Weybridge, and another on board the train at (or after) Weybridge, don't worry about it; you will still end up at Chertsey. They never seem to update on board in the same way that they do at stations.

You'd have to be blind to get lost at Weybridge. When I was last there, the Chertsey train was advertised as a through service to Waterloo via Hounslow.

There are only three platforms, and it is an exceptionally straightforward change: literally all the OP will need to do is alight from the Woking stopping service (usually a red suburban train), hop over the footbridge and join the train standing at the bay platform (usually an eight- or twelve-car blue "Desiro" train.) A bay platform is one with buffers.

(As the OP is going to Chertsey, though, it would be wise to join the front 4 coaches, as the station has short platforms. Remember, the front four will be the four furthest away from the buffers - it sounds silly, but it's astonishing how many people don't realise!)

Anyway, returning to the original questions, a season ticket month is exactly that: a month. If you buy a monthly season ticket to start on 2nd March, it will display as "VALID UNTIL 1 APR" - so you will need to buy a new one to start on April 2nd. As mentioned, annual season tickets (12-monthly) can have extra perks thrown in. (SWT will give you a "gold card" that also functions as a Railcard when you want to buy a ticket which your season doesn't cover.)

Seasons also give you unlimited travel between the two points by any route that is allowed, for the duration of the ticket - so, in your case, you can go to and from any station along the mainline between Wimbledon and Weybridge practically for free. If you need to go further, speak to the ticket clerk and ask to buy an extension - you'll only need to pay extra for the part of the journey your ticket doesn't cover. (If you wanted to go to Woking, for example, you would only need to buy a ticket from Weybridge onwards.)

Four other points:
  • Do a dry run first, before you start in your new job, at roughly the same time as you expect to be commuting. This way, you'll familiarise yourself with the route - it's better to get lost and learn then than to be late on your first day at work!
  • Always use National Rail Enquiries (nationalrail.co.uk, not .com) or the relevant train company's Web site. Other sites charge booking fees.
  • Get a passport-sized photograph. You will need this for your photocard, which will tie your season ticket to your identity. (The ticket clerk will also take your postcode, house/flat number and name, so if your season ticket gets lost and found, or the TOC needs to get in touch, they can contact you.)
  • Don't be daunted. Commuting is easy, even fun (!) once you get into the swing of it. Given enough time, you'll know the train times by heart and be able to build flexibility into your schedule. As long as you mind the gap, stand behind the yellow line and don't be a nuisance to your fellow passengers, you'll be fine.

Good luck! :)
 

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... a season ticket month is exactly that: a month. If you buy a monthly season ticket to start on 2nd March, it will display as "VALID UNTIL 1 APR" - so you will need to buy a new one to start on April 2nd.

However, if you are planning to use monthly tickets rather than an annual and you do not need the ticket at weekends then remember that you can buy season tickets for any period between 1 month and 1 year. Each extra day is charged pro-rata such that 1 month and 30 days is the same price as 2 months. The only useless month is February where a monthly starting in that month will only last for 4 weeks.

An example. Say you were starting next Monday, Jan 24th. You could buy a one month and nine day ticket taking you up to Friday March 4th. Then you'd be without a ticket for that weekend and would start the next one on March 7th for one month and 15 days taking you to Thursday April 21st. You then have the Easter weekend, three working days which you may find cheaper to buy day tickets for and another 4-day weekend for the wedding and the first May Bank Holiday. Start your next ticket on Tuesday May 3rd to Friday June 3rd (one month one day) and so it goes on. You will find that the weekends (and weeks off if you can time it right) will save quite a bit over the price of 12 monthly tickets. It might even come in at a similar price to the annual without the need to pay up front.
 

CommuterToBe

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Wasn't sure about the response (if any?) I would get to my poser but very impressed with the help & knowledge out there (why can't their websites be that straightforward?), lots of helpful hints and links too !
Many thanks for your much appreciated advice which I am sure will get me to my new job on time and raring to go, instead of late, bad-tempered, dishevelled and raring to go (straight back home!).

You've made the journey a doddle !

Many thanks....

CTB
 

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So the price you would find on the South West Trains site should be the most accurate, and fairest, and failing that National Rail Enquiries.

Just for info, the SWT site uses the NRES season ticket calculator. :D
 
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