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malc-c

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Whilst out walking our dog I noticed a helicopter flying slow, at around 1500 feet more or less where the ECML would be. On getting home I checked ADS and this was the result

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Guess with all the recent issues with OHLE / Signals / Points they've had of late they are using the helicopter to check for hot spots ?
 
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Whilst out walking our dog I noticed a helicopter flying slow, at around 1500 feet more or less where the ECML would be. On getting home I checked ADS and this was the result


Guess with all the recent issues with OHLE / Signals / Points they've had of late they are using the helicopter to check for hot spots ?
They’ve used helicopters with IR cameras to look for hotspots in lineside equipment for ages, I think it’s now considered just a normal maintenance tool. There’s a BBC report on YouTube here:
 

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NR also use drones for various purposes. I wonder when those will take over this role from helicopters. It has to be a racing certainty that will happen eventually given the cost differential.
 

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NR also use drones for various purposes. I wonder when those will take over this role from helicopters. It has to be a racing certainty that will happen eventually given the cost differential.
The helicopter will likely still have a place, as its range and payload means it can survey more of the line with a wider variety of kit.
Having said that, I can see the helicopter being scaled back in favour of drones and NR deciding not to maintain its own aircraft lease but to simply contract a commercial supplier for the bits it needs.

As.a subsidiary to this, do any other major networks like the French or the Germans have a dedicated aerial survey team?
 

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Someone I knew through the Land Rover world was an observer on it and got me a nice aerial photo of my old Box.
 

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NR also use drones for various purposes. I wonder when those will take over this role from helicopters. It has to be a racing certainty that will happen eventually given the cost differential.
As I understand the state of the law, drones operating beyond visual range of the operator need a lot of paperwork to be authorised for use, and that use will be quite limited and specific (a particular route at particular times at a particular altitude etc.).

The manned helicopter will have much more "freedom" to set their routing and schedule as they see fit.
 

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NR also use drones for various purposes. I wonder when those will take over this role from helicopters. It has to be a racing certainty that will happen eventually given the cost differential.
The helicopter will likely still have a place, as its range and payload means it can survey more of the line with a wider variety of kit.

As well as this, using drones may cause some difficulties when operating close to airports. For example, at Heald Green where the aircraft pass over the railway at a couple of hundred feet on final approach to Manchester.

Even at Stockport about 5 miles from the airport, aircraft are at 1500 feet on final and coordination via Air Traffic Control is required to ensure safety clearances are met.

Just the other day helicopter G-NTWK was required to hold north of Stockport while surveying the line out of Piccadilly to allow landing aircraft to pass.

This sort of coordination will be required in the vicinity of other airports - think Gatwick and Birmingham for example.

Basically, large airports have a 5km restriction zone for drones and prior permission is required to fly a drone inside that area

So helicopters will still have a role

and NR deciding not to maintain its own aircraft lease but to simply contract a commercial supplier for the bits it needs.
The NR helicopter fleet is owned and operated by PDG Helicopters who have a contract with NR to do these inspections - see about 5m45 in the Geoff Marshall video.
 

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This has been going on for well over a decade. NR has an air operations unit which uses the chopper(s) and drones. The latter are certainly useful, and have seen much increased use, but as said above the chopper is much more flexible in range terms, and actually not that expensive. I once ‘surveyed‘ the whole c2c route plus the GEML London to Colchester in a morning; impossible with a drone.
 

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As well as this, using drones may cause some difficulties when operating close to airports. For example, at Heald Green where the aircraft pass over the railway at a couple of hundred feet on final approach to Manchester.

Even at Stockport about 5 miles from the airport, aircraft are at 1500 feet on final and coordination via Air Traffic Control is required to ensure safety clearances are met.

Just the other day helicopter G-NTWK was required to hold north of Stockport while surveying the line out of Piccadilly to allow landing aircraft to pass.

This sort of coordination will be required in the vicinity of other airports - think Gatwick and Birmingham for example.

Basically, large airports have a 5km restriction zone for drones and prior permission is required to fly a drone inside that area

So helicopters will still have a role
Bingo. Bizarrely, it's actually easier to get permission for a helicopter to fly through, or hover in, a CTA or CTR than it is for a drone to do so. The helicopter can just rock up on the day and will be fitted around the traffic, whereas the drone requires prior permission, may have altitude/location restrictions on use etc.
 

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Guess with all the recent issues with OHLE / Signals / Points they've had of late they are using the helicopter to check for hot spots ?
Looks like an entirely normal operation - the helicopter is out on a fairly regular cycle. We have had it out over the new E-W Bletchley works quite often
 
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