Have they not been told?

[Andrew Nelson]

On the Metro Website, they seem to be unaware that the ECML was electrified nearly 20 years back....

"Improvements to existing routes
The latest research also highlighted the need to make improvements to existing rail routes in the short-medium term. Delivery of high speed rail to the north will be a long-term (20-30 year) project, but existing proposals to upgrade and electrify the Midland Main Line, East Coast Main Line, trans-Pennine and Leeds-Sheffield links can deliver substantial benefits, in some cases at modest costs."

Or, do they just mean the Leeds to York bit, (not strictly the ECML).

 

[gordonthemoron]

isn't Leeds-York either Trans-Penine or Cross Country?

 

[142094]

There are some EC services that go via Micklefield and Church Fenton, and I would call Leeds - Doncaster a part of the ECML.

 

[jopsuk]

extension to Aberdeen? Hull? Sunderland, now that's served by an ECML operator?

 

[Andrew Nelson]

So, what We would all call the East Coast Main Line WAS Electrified in 1991.
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extension to Aberdeen? Hull? Sunderland, now that's served by an ECML operator?

Yes, that maybe so, but Doncaster to Hull, Edinburgh to Aberdeen, or Newcastle to Sunderland are not the ECML.

That last one would be rather difficult.

Bear in mind also, this is a quote from the Metro Website, so I doubt they would be too worried about these anyway.

 

[mallard]

It does say "... to upgrade and electrify ..." so they could just be talking about upgrading the ECML (to higher speeds maybe?), but it is poorly worded.

 

[Andrew Nelson]

It does say "... to upgrade and electrify ..." so they could just be talking about upgrading the ECML (to higher speeds maybe?), but it is poorly worded.

After the complete waste of time and effort in upgrading the WCML at ten times the original estimate, I don't think I'll bother.

 

[tbtc]

Are you counting the ECML as just KX to Leeds and Edinburgh? (with no diversions/ additions)

 

[YorkshireBear]

leeds sheffield, i'd love that although ill have lef uni by then and will raely travel between the two cities :/

 

[Andrew Nelson]

leeds sheffield, i'd love that although ill have lef uni by then and will raely travel between the two cities :/

Maybe as a continuation of the MML upgrade, doubtful if sooner than that.
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Are you counting the ECML as just KX to Leeds and Edinburgh? (with no diversions/ additions)

The ECML has generally been this, with the addition of the Hertford Loop Line, which is wired-up anyway.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Uk_outline_map_with_ECML_railway.PNG

 

[tbtc]

Maybe as a continuation of the MML upgrade, doubtful if sooner than that

If you're going to do the MML then you have to do the Sheffield - Doncaster/ Leeds lines, especially as this then gives Cross Country wires from Derby to Newcastle/ Edinburgh, which gives Birmingham - Derby electrification better cost/benefit figures

The ECML has generally been this, with the addition of the Hertford Loop Line, which is wired-up anyway.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Uk_outline_map_with_ECML_railway.PNG

It's something I've seen people argue about a few times, e.g. is Edinburgh - Carstairs part of the ECML, part of the WCML, part of neither or part of both?

 

[yorkie]

Yes, that maybe so, but Doncaster to Hull, Edinburgh to Aberdeen, or Newcastle to Sunderland are not the ECML.

Edinburgh to Aberdeen is generally considered an extension of the ECML. The others are branches.
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There are some EC services that go via Micklefield and Church Fenton,

The only one that I'm aware of that is booked via Micklefield and Church Fenton is the 0710 from Leeds. Traditionally there has usually been one or two Leeds trains via Micklefield instead of Wakefield (but this may no longer be the case) and the 2200 goes via Church Fenton.

Church Fenton was on the original ECML, and is on the first choice diversionary route via Askern & Knottingley.

The ECML suffers from a lack of electrification on diversionary routes, unlike the WCML. This means that OHLE problems can have more severe concequences.

Even the Hertford Loop for many years had severe limits on electric traction due to restricted power supplies. I believe this has been rectified, but poor headways between Hertford & Langley Jn remain a problem.
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It's something I've seen people argue about a few times, e.g. is Edinburgh - Carstairs part of the ECML, part of the WCML, part of neither or part of both?

I don't see how it could be associated with the ECML at all. If you go far back, I think ECML trains didn't go to Glasgow, then HSTs went to Queen St, only once the line was electrified did they go to Central. I'd consider it to be the Edinburgh branch of the WCML.

 

[LE Greys]

I don't see how it could be associated with the ECML at all. If you go far back, I think ECML trains didn't go to Glasgow, then HSTs went to Queen St, only once the line was electrified did they go to Central. I'd consider it to be the Edinburgh branch of the WCML.

That's correct, although an HST is a bit long to handle effectively at Queen Street. However, it used to belong to the LNER, so that's generally where East Coast trains went. Aberdeen used to belong to the LMS, since it was built by the Caledonian. Therefore it's possible to argue that Aberdeen is the top of both East Coast and West Coast Main Lines.