Hanson & Hall

[ExRes]

Could this mean 5L50 Chaddesden - Yarmouth is cancelled then?

Both 50s definitely worked 0D50 to Knottingley so unless H&H are hiring something else in then I assume 5L50 is cancelled and the ERS coaches will stay at Chaddesden for the time being

 

[fb2126]

Both 50s definitely worked 0D50 to Knottingley so unless H&H are hiring something else in then I assume 5L50 is cancelled and the ERS coaches will stay at Chaddesden for the time being



** Updated Monday 27th October **


Schedules now showing for 0938 0M08 Knottingley TMD to Chaddesden, 1307 5L50 to Yarmouth CHS & tomorrows 0919 0D50 to Knottingley TMD - no sign of any current schedule for 50007 returning to SVR

50007 returning to SVR:

Realtime Trains | 0K07 1358 Chaddesden Sdgs to Kidderminster S.V.R. | 27/10/2025

Real-time train running information for 0K07 1358 departure from Chaddesden Sdgs to Kidderminster S.V.R. on 27/10/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[ExRes]

50007 returning to SVR:

Realtime Trains | 0K07 1358 Chaddesden Sdgs to Kidderminster S.V.R. | 27/10/2025

Real-time train running information for 0K07 1358 departure from Chaddesden Sdgs to Kidderminster S.V.R. on 27/10/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Thanks @fb2126


50008 worked 0908 0M08 Knottingley TMD to Chaddesden with 50007 then 1307 5L50 to Yarmouth CHS solo with the 'Brick and Tile' ECS

50007 worked 1358 0K07 Chaddesden to Kidderminster SVR



** Updated Thursday 30th October **


50008 worked 1200 0L50 Yarmouth CHS to Hitchin Up Yard



** Updated Friday 31st October **


50008 worked 0811 6Z50 Hitchin Up Yard to York Yard South (Fhh) hauling the Network Rail Robel 6 Mobile Maintenance Train formed of DR97506, DR97606 & DR97806 and 1423 0D50 to Knottingley TMD

 

[ExRes]

50008 worked 1238 0M08 Knottingley TMD to Burton OT Wetmore Sidings

 

[ExRes]

It has been announced by UK Railtours that DB are no longer able to provide Class 66 & 67 locos for UK Railtours 'The South Wales Industrial Explorer' tour on the 29th November, arrangements have been made for a ROG Class 37 to take their place which will operate "between Llanelli and Gloucester via Swansea", 08795 will pilot the train at Landore Depot

 

[ExRes]

50008 worked 0900 0L08 Burton OT Wetmore Sidings to Yarmouth CHS to collect coaches for Saturdays UK Railtours 'The South Wales Industrial Explorer', cancelled at Humberstone Road and returned to Burton OT as 1224 0E08

 

[XCTurbostar]

The South Wales Industrial Explorer 37 is expected to be 37501

 

[The_Train]

The South Wales Industrial Explorer 37 is expected to be 37501

I can back this up from a very reliable source and having missed it at the SVR, this would work out very well for me However, I remain cautious until I know it is on the front of the train on Saturday

 

[ExRes]

Rather strangely 0L08 is showing as having been cancelled at Humberstone Road (FF - FOC diagramming or rostering issue)

 

[The_Train]

Rather strangely 0L08 is showing as having been cancelled at Humberstone Road (FF - FOC diagramming or rostering issue)

Was that supposed to be the 37? I know the 37 is only planned to be used between Llanelli and Gloucester so wasn't sure if it was joining the stock all day or heading down to Wales to be added to the stock in one of the yards

 

[ExRes]

Was that supposed to be the 37? I know the 37 is only planned to be used between Llanelli and Gloucester so wasn't sure if it was joining the stock all day or heading down to Wales to be added to the stock in one of the yards

1224 0E08 Humberstone Road to Burton OT Wetmore Sidings now showing on RTT

 

[The_Train]

1224 0E08 Humberstone Road to Burton OT Wetmore Sidings now showing on RTT

Well the tour has been canned now

 

[ExRes]

Well the tour has been canned now

UK Railtours, Hanson & Hall and all those with tickets have been well screwed by both DB and ROG, I wonder how many people will lose their money for hotel bookings etc with such short notice

 

[XCTurbostar]

UK Railtours, Hanson & Hall and all those with tickets have been well screwed by both DB and ROG, I wonder how many people will lose their money for hotel bookings etc with such short notice

I hope an official reason is made public soon. I can’t help but think the lack of a path to Swansea may have been part of it?

 

[The_Train]

UK Railtours, Hanson & Hall and all those with tickets have been well screwed by both DB and ROG, I wonder how many people will lose their money for hotel bookings etc with such short notice

I cancelled my hotel booking in Derby last night having weighed up whether an extra hour in bed was worth the £60 for a hotel or whether I should save that money and drive to East Mids Parkway. Whatever sixth sense kicked in there, I am thankful as I have already seen a good few discussing their hotel losses on this. Hanson & Hall are always at risk of this occurring whilst they only have the one loco because they will always be reliant on others to provide the backup.

No doubt there will be some s**t flying around from a certain person about what has gone on here

At least I get a bit of money back in my bank in time for Xmas but now have a Saturday (which I had to beg with a colleague to swap with me for at work) where I have an empty diary.

 

[JonathanH]

I hope an official reason is made public soon. I can’t help but think the lack of a path to Swansea may have been part of it?

There is an official reason. DB weren't able to provide locomotives for the train. ROG were then lined up to do so, but must have found that they couldn't resource it either. The itinerary couldn't be fulfilled solely by 50008.

 

[The_Train]

I hope an official reason is made public soon. I can’t help but think the lack of a path to Swansea may have been part of it?

The reasoning from UKR is that ROG have withdrawn the assisting loco

 

[XCTurbostar]

Many Thanks guys.

 

[Harpo]

The second short notice cape forced on UKR this autumn together with other plans getting shot through. The future of non-steam tours is not looking good.

 

[jonb]

Does anyone happen to know if the 4TC set is still in Ripple Lane, which suffered flats when hauled by 50008 earlier this year? Haven’t seen anything to my knowledge about when (or how), this will be recovered?

Thanks in advance!

 

[ExRes]

Does anyone happen to know if the 4TC set is still in Ripple Lane, which suffered flats when hauled by 50008 earlier this year? Haven’t seen anything to my knowledge about when (or how), this will be recovered?

Thanks in advance!

It was reported 5 weeks ago on Southern Electric Group facebook page that the set was at Ripple Lane showing on OpenTrainTimes as WAG4

Latest photo on Flickr has the entire set there as of 15th October

 

[jonb]

It was reported 5 weeks ago on Southern Electric Group facebook page that the set was at Ripple Lane showing on OpenTrainTimes as WAG4

Latest photo on Flickr has the entire set there as of 15th October

Thanks for the update

 

[ExRes]

50008 worked 0831 0R08 Burton OT Wetmore Sidings to Rugby CS, 1220 6Z50 to Derby RTC (NR) hauling stoneblower DR80201 and 1654 0D50 to Knottingley TMD

 

[Harpo]

* Coming up for 50008 in 2026 - 7th March - UK Railtours 'The East Lancashire Railway' from and to Watford Junction with a Class 50 Alliance loco and ERS Mk3s and the expected assistance of 56006 while at the ELR

Third time lucky. Or final chance?

 

[ExRes]

Third time lucky. Or final chance?

As the second loco is coming from Class 50 Alliance I reckon the odds are very much in favour of success

 

[The_Train]

Third time lucky. Or final chance?

In fairness, I don't think either of the previous 2 canned tours have been the fault of H&H nor UKR.

It is definitely an issue for them though that they only have 1 loco meaning they will always need to outsource the assistance loco. However, I have heard a very minor rumbling that they may be seeking to remedy this (although I believe only at discussion stage right now)

 

[Harpo]

In fairness, I don't think either of the previous 2 canned tours have been the fault of H&H nor UKR.

A vehicle run with a handbrake left on falls squarely under the train operator’s safety responsibilities and nobody else.

 

[D1511]

50008 working 0831 0R08 Burton OT Wetmore Sidings to Rugby CS - 1220 6Z50 Derby RTC - 1654 0D50 Knottingley TMD

Ah...i thought I was hallucinating when I caught a fleeting glimpse of this at Rugby just now....cheers!

 

[ExRes]

** Updated Thursday 11th December **


50008 worked 1155 0Z50 Knottingley TMD to Doncaster Up Decoy, 1333 6Z85 to York Thrall Europa with the Mobile Maintenance Train DR97805 and 1603 0D50 to Knottingley TMD

 

[ExRes]

Hanson & Hall operated 1344 5D03 Wembley LMD to Burton West Yard formed of Chiltern 68014 and set AL03 (12620, 12623, 12617, 12608, 12615, 10274 & 82305) for storage and 1800 0H68 return