Hamburg single ticket

[DeverseSam]

In the Hamburg central rings A and B, a day ticket is 8.20 euros, simply.

But a single in rings AB is 2.10, 3.50, or 4.10 depending on distance. How can I find out the maximum distance from, let’s say, Hauptbahnhof for the 2.10, 3.50, or 4.10 without manually checking every destination on a journey planner?

The most central tariff zone is shown in some places as 000 which may mean something, as a sub-zone of ring A, I guess.

 

[The exile]

Don’t know for certain about Hamburg, but in most German cities the “Kurzstrecke” (short journey) is usually buses/trams only and about 4 stops.

 

[Bletchleyite]

It appears these are not zonal. When I was a student a Kurzstreckenkarte was one stop by U/S-Bahn and a certain number of stops on the bus though I forget how many, the below suggests 3. It looks like the "local" fare is commercially set i.e. you'd have to try pairs of stops in the journey planner rather than being zonal.

This explains a bit:

• 1: Kurzstrecke (short haul) 1,90 EUR - usually 3 stops same line
• 2: Nahbereich (local journey) 2,50 EUR - a little more, individual as popularity of the trip also counts
• 3: Großbereich (Hamburg greater area - anywhere else in Hamburg) 3,60 EUR

Explanation of the PUBLIC TRANSPORT in Hamburg

The public transport in Hamburg has a tight net of train and bus lines which connect mostly every 10 minutes. The HVV website is available in English, too.

the-red-relocators.com

Not very Germanic!

 

[The exile]

Not very Germanic!

Goes with the penchant for drinking tea and the abolition of trams!

 

[Bigchris]

I'm sure that using the zone map in the 2nd link provided above, the "short-haul" single ticket is valid for any single journey that is purely within one of the 3-digit sub-zones. For example, Hamburg Hbf is in zone 000 so the cheapest ticket would get you to any other station within the bounds of this zone (so you can't go Hbf-Altona on this ticket). I'm not 100% sure where there other 2 prices come in, I think that the middle price is a single of any distance within either zone A OR zone B, and the most expensive is single journey that overlaps zone A AND B. I've been to Hamburg loads of times and to be honest for the price I just get the daily ticket for zones A+B, if you do 2 decent journeys you get your money's worth, and you can use RE and Metronom services between some stations too for example down to Hamburg-Harburg or Maschen.

 

[Bletchleyite]

I'm sure that using the zone map in the 2nd link provided above, the "short-haul" single ticket is valid for any single journey that is purely within one of the 3-digit sub-zones.

It may have been that in the past, but the up to date version on the HVV site no longer has sub-zones within A and B. I don't know if they exist on a non-public basis, though.

https://www.hvv.de/resource/blob/2552/7438595a2c07a69fc81eda07ed51c9b2/hvv_tarifplan_usar_schematisch.pdf

The Kurzstreckenkarte was however always defined as a certain number of stops by U/S (1 I think) or bus (3 I think) with no changes allowed, though. It's the middle one that might have related to the sub zones, though I thought they were more about season tickets.

There was also I think (trying to remember 30 years ago!) a city centre single that was valid in zone 000.

 

[nwales58]

Not very Germanic!

Or doubly Germanic: HVV has rings AND zones, also Kurzstrecke and Nahbereich (most are zones + Kstrecke).

 

[Bletchleyite]

Or doubly Germanic: HVV has rings AND zones, also Kurzstrecke and Nahbereich (most are zones + Kstrecke).

Notably Merseyside copies this concept - the only place in the UK that does? (Areas rather than rings I suppose).

 

[DanielB]

Was in Hamburg last autumn and actually didn't even bother looking what the price for singles was as an AB day ticket is so damn cheap.
Pro tip: HVV gives a discount on tickets bought in the app or as e-ticket, so a day ticket via the DB app only cost me € 7,25.

 

[Spoorslag '70]

The system in Hamburg is rather complex, even for German standards.
For single tickes in Hamburg, there are three options, as defined in section 2.1.1 of https://www.hvv.de/resource/blob/23...meinschaftstarif_befoerderungsbedingungen.pdf (Kurzstrecke, Nahbereich, Hamburg AB), which correspond to the prices in the first post of this thread.
By these rules, validity has to be determined by counting how many "Zahlgrenzen" are passed. A Kurzstrecke is valid until the first one, a Nahbereich ticket is valid until the second Zahlgrenze and a Hamburg AB ticket is valid in Rings A&B.

The Zahlgrenze-stops are listed per line on this page: https://www.hvv.de/de/gemeinschaftstarif. Using the above rules and these line diagrams, it is (in theory) possible to find out the maximum distance for a given fare from a given stop, but it is rather non-trivial indeed.

On a slight tangent, I have found the following article (in English) discussing how affordable public transport in Hamburg is by calculation how fare a Kurzstrecke ticket can get you: https://mobileinclusion.projects.tu-berlin.de/mi/en/hvv-fare-short-journey/.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Fare stages. Crikey, how Britisch!