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The GWR Basingstoke services now seem extremely reliable with three units, not that they were bad before. So far there has been only one departure from Basingstoke late enough to show red on RRT, and not a single arrival, in the entire 2.5 week days the new timetable has run. Together with extra peak services, this seems pretty good.
 
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Quite the fiasco today, with NR insisting the peak superfasts cancelled due to the Slough issue and the remaining Bristol trains going via Newbury due to the fatality at Box, getting from Bath to Swindon is proving something of a challenge.

Although an 0853 bristol-padd could have called at Swindon and aleviated the confusion - pax to Chippenham & Swindon were eventually sent via Trowbridge.

I was on the 09.00 Bristol to Padd service which was diverted via Trowbridge/Westbury/Newbury. It occurred to me that in order to provide some sort of service between Bath and Chippenham/Swindon it could have reversed at Bradford Junction and proceeded via Melksham as I'm sure the signalling allows for this at that location.
 

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I was on the 09.00 Bristol to Padd service which was diverted via Trowbridge/Westbury/Newbury. It occurred to me that in order to provide some sort of service between Bath and Chippenham/Swindon it could have reversed at Bradford Junction and proceeded via Melksham as I'm sure the signalling allows for this at that location.

Yes it does. You aren't the only person I've heard saying that.
 

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The GWR Basingstoke services now seem extremely reliable with three units, not that they were bad before. So far there has been only one departure from Basingstoke late enough to show red on RRT, and not a single arrival, in the entire 2.5 week days the new timetable has run. Together with extra peak services, this seems pretty good.
There appears to be some extra running time. I travelled on the 0716 ish from Reading this morning and we arrived 2 mins early at each intermediate stop.

Has there always been a 20 minute service in the mornings?

There's also a through service to Oxford leaving Basingstoke at 2131 calling at all stations via Reading
 

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I was on the 09.00 Bristol to Padd service which was diverted via Trowbridge/Westbury/Newbury. It occurred to me that in order to provide some sort of service between Bath and Chippenham/Swindon it could have reversed at Bradford Junction and proceeded via Melksham as I'm sure the signalling allows for this at that location.

What was the train formed of? There is currently no walking route to change ends at that location, so would have to have been a 5 or 9 car for that to viable. Otherwise could reverse at Westbury, but only in platforms 2 and 3 (?)
 

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What was the train formed of? There is currently no walking route to change ends at that location, so would have to have been a 5 or 9 car for that to viable. Otherwise could reverse at Westbury, but only in platforms 2 and 3 (?)
There was definitely a walking route in 2015 when I last did that move unless it's been removed???
 

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I was on the 09.00 Bristol to Padd service which was diverted via Trowbridge/Westbury/Newbury. It occurred to me that in order to provide some sort of service between Bath and Chippenham/Swindon it could have reversed at Bradford Junction and proceeded via Melksham as I'm sure the signalling allows for this at that location.

But is there enough capacity for a 9 car IET to clog up the down/up lines whilst the driver changes ends?
 

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What was the train formed of? There is currently no walking route to change ends at that location, so would have to have been a 5 or 9 car for that to viable. Otherwise could reverse at Westbury, but only in platforms 2 and 3 (?)

It was a 9 car so the driver could have walked through the set - of course had they not removed the direct link from the southbound Westbury line to the northbound Melksham line back in the day!
 

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There appears to be some extra running time. I travelled on the 0716 ish from Reading this morning and we arrived 2 mins early at each intermediate stop

Time in the schedules for a stop at Green Park and to allow for any slower running that applies when the 769s take over.

Has there always been a 20 minute service in the mornings?

No, it wasn't possible with two units. It is some time since the Basingstoke line last ran with three units rather than two.
 

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I have just noticed on realtime trains website that the Sunday service this week is again only running between Cheltenham and Swindon, is this down to engineering work or more Christmas parties?

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Having looked further it’s just the morning services which aren’t through trains from Paddington to Cheltenham, ok after 1pm
 
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I have just noticed on realtime trains website that the Sunday service this week is again only running between Cheltenham and Swindon, is this down to engineering work or more Christmas parties?

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Having looked further it’s just the morning services which aren’t through trains from Paddington to Cheltenham, ok after 1pm

They've dangled the double time carrot again, so it must be marginal as to whether there will be enough crew. At a guess I would say it won't be quite as bad as last Sunday, but I doubt the entire service will remain unscathed.

On a brighter front it's positive that, so far this week at least, the weekday driver availability hasn't led to many (any?) cancellations. Also, despite several hiccups and the odd bit of bad luck, it turns out the doom and gloom merchants might need to eat their words as the timetable hasn't completely collapsed as predicted. A bit of tinkering here and there won't go amiss, but overall it generally works.
 

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Time in the schedules for a stop at Green Park and to allow for any slower running that applies when the 769s take over.



No, it wasn't possible with two units. It is some time since the Basingstoke line last ran with three units rather than two.
Thanks for info, I've just recently started commuting that way.
 

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On a brighter front it's positive that, so far this week at least, the weekday driver availability hasn't led to many (any?) cancellations. Also, despite several hiccups and the odd bit of bad luck, it turns out the doom and gloom merchants might need to eat their words as the timetable hasn't completely collapsed as predicted. A bit of tinkering here and there won't go amiss, but overall it generally works.

Though there seem to be a lot of down services losing time between Paddington and Reading or Didcot and Oxford in particular, but which still are ending up 'on time' for recording purposes thanks to timing allowances further down the line, while being 'late' as far as many passengers who get off along the way are concerned.

And XC punctuality on the Birmingham-South Coast axis has been pretty poor ever since Sunday, causing a lot of problems for GWR services they get in the way of. At Oxford their late running has been as much of a menace to the timekeeping of services heading to the Cotswold Line as the terminating Turbos were for many years until the end of last week.

It is also to be hoped that some lessons are learned quickly from yesterday afternoon's 'dude, where's my guard?' fiasco at Oxford after the Cotswold Line halts train was sent out of Didcot (running DOO) ahead of the late-running 16.20 from Paddington. The problem being that the train manager due to work the halts train on to Moreton-in-Marsh (no DOO on the Cotswold Line) was travelling to Oxford on the 16.20...

Net result was the Turbo sat in the platform until 17.40 before being cancelled and sent to the sidings, with the 16.20 finally arriving 32 minutes late after being stuck just outside the station for the best part of 20 minutes - and the following 16.58 'superfast'* to Great Malvern was 12 late at Oxford, picked up the waiting throng and was full and standing out to Hanborough.

No special stop notice was issued, so the halts passengers were left without a train. It is to be hoped this is not a sign of things to come if there is a problem with the Turbo for whatever reason in future, after passenger numbers at these stations took a hit in the shambles of late 2017 and early 2018 but have since recovered.

*So far this week, just one 'superfast' has actually reached Oxford from London at the booked time out of 12 attempts - today's 17.58 Paddington to Worcester.

And there was plenty of chuntering in seats around me on the full and standing Voyager I caught from Reading to Oxford about the great big hole blown in afternoon peak fast services between the two places as of this week - and being wedged into a late-running 220 as a result. Thames Valley commuters are not impressed.
 

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They've dangled the double time carrot again, so it must be marginal as to whether there will be enough crew. At a guess I would say it won't be quite as bad as last Sunday, but I doubt the entire service will remain unscathed.

On a brighter front it's positive that, so far this week at least, the weekday driver availability hasn't led to many (any?) cancellations. Also, despite several hiccups and the odd bit of bad luck, it turns out the doom and gloom merchants might need to eat their words as the timetable hasn't completely collapsed as predicted. A bit of tinkering here and there won't go amiss, but overall it generally works.
Eh what planet are you on?!! The service to the west country has been awful this week, there have been short formed 5 car sets going from plymouth to London every day. Coupling problems at Plymouth. Overcrowding on certain services going into Cornwall. Passengers seriously confused on board 10 car sets over which portion to be in after Plymouth, I've seen this with my own eyes and it's quite amazing the disruption , confusion and upset it has caused to elderly and other passengers. So if anything I'd say the doom mongers have under estimated things a little. The only area I'll say so far has surprisingly worked from a personal point of view is Plymouth trains departing London 2 minutes behind the bristols , I have had a decent run to reading, but then i do hang back a little leaving Paddington so that is probably the reason for that!!
 

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Yesterday I caught a Plymouth+Penzance service from London to Reading. On-train announcements said the rear 5 coaches for Penzance, guard kept coming on saying "ignore the announcements, it's the front 5", lots of people seemingly confused. That can't help! But at least they got the full 10 coaches for the trip down to Plymouth
 

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Eh what planet are you on?!

I did say there were plenty of hiccups still, it would be nice if NR’s infrastructure held up for example, but not the complete collapse with no drivers, mass shortforms and schedules not working that some predicted.

Tuesday’s 90.2% performance score demonstrates that.

I’m admit I’m on a different planet to you. I’ll let others decide which of us is on Earth.
 

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I did say there were plenty of hiccups still, it would be nice if NR’s infrastructure held up for example, but not the complete collapse with no drivers, mass shortforms and schedules not working that some predicted.

Tuesday’s 90.2% performance score demonstrates that.

I’m admit I’m on a different planet to you. I’ll let others decide which of us is on Earth.
Well I'm actually here on the ground, driving the trains interacting with the passengers and staff, travelling round on the trains. So id say my comments probably matter more when it comes to the Penzance to London route. And one short form a day on this route really is one too many as with an hourly service off plymouth , the idea that people will be forced to stand for 3 hours or more is completely and utterly unacceptable. I'm so sorry for giving a damm about the customers that pay my wages but I do! And every day there have been short forms on this route. Today 1a71, 1a77 already where 5 cars and that's of the 7 services I bothered to check, so 2 out of 7 isn't exactly great is it.

Edit, oh and add 1a82 to the short forms list, so that's 3 services This morning have left Plymouth as 5 vice 9 or 10, not exactly going well is it....
 

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I noticed that the 0510 Bristol - Paddington(via B&H) for the 0804 Paddington - Penzance was a 5-car on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. I think that train is supposed to be a 10-car with a 5-car detached at Plymouth and attached to an up service? Today the 0804 was a 9-car which is good news for those passengers but not so good for those of the Up service that should have had 5 attached to the front at Plymouth.
 

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The problem is what cl.802 goes onto Stoke Gifford or Laira the previous night misbalanced usually has to come out the following morning misbalanced as the spare/maintenance units are normally at North Pole. Laira doesn't normally have any spare units.

If it is 5 v 9/10 or 9 v 5/10 then it mucks up the split/join workings at Plymouth. Today there were 3 misbalanced cl.802 diagrams, 2 off Stoke Gifford and 1 off Laira. So Control has the unenviable task of trying to mix and match during the day to get things back into booked formation.

The timetable structure itself seems to be behaving quite well (so far!) but today - all over GWR - they started with 2 x 5 v 9, 1 x 5 v 10 and 2 x 9 v 10, a ballast strike yesterday having knocked out 3 cl.800 units for underframe damage investigation and 3 other units (2 x 800 and 1 x 802) undergoing post fatality repairs.
 

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Well I'm actually here on the ground, driving the trains interacting with the passengers and staff, travelling round on the trains.

So am I.

So id say my comments probably matter more when it comes to the Penzance to London route.

Yes, quite possibly - and I do share your views that some Cornish services should be longer. By no means all though.

However this thread, and my comments, were based on the timetable as a whole, not any specific routes.
 

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It seems to me that, at last, there's a proper main line express service running out of Paddington again.
Of course some problems with early days of the new timetable, it will settle down.
I lived in Oxford in 1980, I remember non-stop services to Paddington. 50-hauled of course.
I lived in Bath in 1994/5 (Sydney Gardens in 1994, sadly my landlord ripped me off and stole my deposit, wouldn't happen today). I usually went to London on an early train which called only at Chippenham and Didcot.
The 1995 Bath/Bristol service was essentially hourly, but soon after this changed and the up-side was more frequent services, the down-side was that they generally stopped everywhere.
Now we have Chippenham-London non-stop again, that's good for the people who live where I used to live.
I hope the new timetable is able to deliver services to different sets of people - fast trains for long distances and frequent trains for shorter distances. I'm looking forward to trying some of them out now.
 

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Yesterday I caught a Plymouth+Penzance service from London to Reading. On-train announcements said the rear 5 coaches for Penzance, guard kept coming on saying "ignore the announcements, it's the front 5", lots of people seemingly confused. That can't help! But at least they got the full 10 coaches for the trip down to Plymouth

I wish guards would isolate those automated digital announcements . A proper live announcement always gets more attention and feels more customer friendly and professional. Just my opinion .
 

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Here is a special announcement for all those who pooh pooh-ed the concerns that I and others had about the removal of afternoon and evening peak calls at Reading by GWR fasts to Oxford and beyond and told us that using XC and changing trains would be just fine...

Sum total of connections made today at Oxford between XC trains from Reading and Cotswold Line services supposed to follow them into Oxford - a big fat zero out of three.
  • 17.15 XC from Reading, left seven late and the on-time 16.58 from Paddington to Great Malvern was put in front at Didcot, so it had left Oxford before the Voyager got there.
  • 18.15 XC from Reading left 29 late and reached Oxford 41 late
  • 19.15 XC from Reading left 22 late and was 25 late into Oxford
The three Cotswold Line superfasts did all make it to Oxford on time today but the Banbury service limped in 12 late and lost another couple of minutes by Banbury, all courtesy of XC...
 
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Here is a special announcement for all those who pooh pooh-ed the concerns that I and others had about the removal of afternoon and evening peak calls at Reading by GWR fasts to Oxford and beyond and told us that using XC and changing trains would be just fine...

Sum total of connections made today at Oxford between XC trains from Reading and Cotswold Line services supposed to follow them into Oxford - a big fat zero out of three.
  • 17.15 XC from Reading, left seven late and the on-time 16.58 from Paddington to Great Malvern was put in front at Didcot, so it had left Oxford before the Voyager got there.
  • 18.15 XC from Reading left 29 late and reached Oxford 41 late
  • 19.15 XC from Reading left 22 late and was 25 late into Oxford
The three Cotswold Line superfasts did all make it to Oxford on time today but the Banbury service limped in 12 late and lost another couple of minutes by Banbury, all courtesy of XC...
This just doesn't work. The reading stops need reinstating ASAP on Cotswold services. A real own goal from GWR....
 

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Whilst it's early days, if certain Cornish services remain very busy in the next few weeks, it might be worth GWR putting up posters at stations / info on the website about which services are particularly busy and which are quieter, to try to encourage passengers to move to the quieter services. I seem to recall both London Midland (as was) and Chiltern put up that info for peak services. Granted a very different market to Cornish services but the same principle. I'd assume as well that advance fares pricing could be used for the same purpose.

Might also be worth trying to encourage local passengers between Cornish stations and Plymouth to use the HST Castles as much as possible so there's more room on longer distance services for long-distance passengers. Given the journey times are almost identical and many people claim HSTs are more comfortable than IETs, it shouldn't be too difficult. I suspect a lot of local passengers will still instinctively assume it's a choice of a 8 carriage HST or a wedged 2 carriage 150, whereas now it's a 5 carriage IET or a 4 carriage HST - bit of a difference. I'm not sure how widely available advance tickets are on local services, but again they could be used to encourage local travellers to use the HSTs.
 

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Whilst it's early days, if certain Cornish services remain very busy in the next few weeks, it might be worth GWR putting up posters at stations / info on the website about which services are particularly busy and which are quieter, to try to encourage passengers to move to the quieter services. I seem to recall both London Midland (as was) and Chiltern put up that info for peak services. Granted a very different market to Cornish services but the same principle. I'd assume as well that advance fares pricing could be used for the same purpose.

Might also be worth trying to encourage local passengers between Cornish stations and Plymouth to use the HST Castles as much as possible so there's more room on longer distance services for long-distance passengers. Given the journey times are almost identical and many people claim HSTs are more comfortable than IETs, it shouldn't be too difficult. I suspect a lot of local passengers will still instinctively assume it's a choice of a 8 carriage HST or a wedged 2 carriage 150, whereas now it's a 5 carriage IET or a 4 carriage HST - bit of a difference. I'm not sure how widely available advance tickets are on local services, but again they could be used to encourage local travellers to use the HSTs.
It's not the local Cornish passengers causing the problem. It's those travelling from Cornwall to the south east. What's needed is 9 car sets on a few services all year round. I'm sure this will happen come may timetable change, in the meantime we will have to make the best of it and hope not to put off too many customers who will potentially be lost to driving or flying.....
 

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The three Cotswold Line superfasts did all make it to Oxford on time today but the Banbury service limped in 12 late and lost another couple of minutes by Banbury, all courtesy of XC...

Ironically they made it on time largely due to the XC services being late enough to not get in their way, whereas over previous days they've often just been late enough to get in the way.

The Oxford superfasts do often seem to manage to make it to Didcot on time, before either a XC gets in the way, or an up fast service passes through, or a terminating 387 from Paddington crawls into Platform 4 under approach controlled signals, or a freight is coming in or going out of Didcot Yard (when you can kiss goodbye to any conflicting moves for a good five minutes as they snake in and out at 5mph).

Didcot is probably the worst point of conflict on the GWML now by some distance. A few sticking plasters could be applied such as electrifying to Oxford so the local trains can all be through trains again, and having a route out of Platform 3 towards London on the reliefs that doesn't involve crossing over to the main lines and back again, and improving the signalling so that flashing aspects are available to better control moves into Platform 4 from the London direction. But what's really needed is a proper grade separated junction. That never seems to get beyond the 'vague aspiration' stage though.
 

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Ironically they made it on time largely due to the XC services being late enough to not get in their way, whereas over previous days they've often just been late enough to get in the way.

The Oxford superfasts do often seem to manage to make it to Didcot on time, before either a XC gets in the way, or an up fast service passes through, or a terminating 387 from Paddington crawls into Platform 4 under approach controlled signals, or a freight is coming in or going out of Didcot Yard (when you can kiss goodbye to any conflicting moves for a good five minutes as they snake in and out at 5mph).

Didcot is probably the worst point of conflict on the GWML now by some distance. A few sticking plasters could be applied such as electrifying to Oxford so the local trains can all be through trains again, and having a route out of Platform 3 towards London on the reliefs that doesn't involve crossing over to the main lines and back again, and improving the signalling so that flashing aspects are available to better control moves into Platform 4 from the London direction. But what's really needed is a proper grade separated junction. That never seems to get beyond the 'vague aspiration' stage though.

Excuse me for failing to see the irony here, but when GWR told people trying to get from Reading back to Oxford or beyond that there would be nothing to worry about when all their direct GWR fast trains disappeared, as there would be these wonderful alternative journey opportunities available instead (dependent on overcrowded and all-too-often late-running XC trains) with same-platform connections to Cotswold Line trains taking a matter of minutes at Oxford, and not a single one of those connections works out in reality, some of us get a tad hacked off.

And Didcot is not the root cause of the situation I described above, which is entirely the result of GWR agreeing to Network Rail's scheme to make life easier pathing peak trains through the Thames Valley and putting operational convenience ahead of passenger convenience. The people who came up with this wheeze are not the ones having to put up with the consequences.
 
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