GWR Class 143 withdrawals

Apedlar12 · 18 Dec 2020

iantherev said:
There was another solo 150 out today - I had 234 on its own on the 16:03 from Newton Abbot to Paignton.

Yep, since the 143s were withdrawn there has been a single 150 out everyday since except for last Sunday.

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Jim · 18 Dec 2020

143618 should be out again Saturday, kicking off with 2T05 0632 Exeter to Paignton

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Apedlar12 said:
Yep, since the 143s were withdrawn there has been a single 150 out everyday since except for last Sunday.

Incorrect, 16/12 the 2 car 150 turn was 158956, although some disruption did lave 239 out on its own for a trip or two in the evening.

Apedlar12 · 19 Dec 2020

Jim said:
Incorrect, 16/12 the 2 car 150 turn was 158956, although some disruption did lave 239 out on its own for a trip or two in the evening.

Ah yes, I think that was the day when services were cancelled in the morning due to the rough sea down at Dawlish so caused major disruption but every other day since the 143s have been withdrawn except 13/12/20 there seems to have been a single 150 out.

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Jim said:
143618 should be out again Saturday, kicking off with 2T05 0632 Exeter to Paignton

This diagram if I am correct:

2T05 06:32 Exeter St Davids to Paignton
2F09 07:50 Paignton to Exmouth
2T12 09:25 Exmouth to Paignton
2F16 11:20 Paignton to Exmouth
2T19 12:57 Exmouth to Paignton
2F23 14:55 Paignton to Exmouth
2T26 16:27 Exmouth to Paignton
2F30 18:20 Paignton to Exmouth
2E33 19:58 Exmouth to Exeter St Davids

TEW · 19 Dec 2020

Apedlar12 said:
This diagram if I am correct:

2T05 06:32 Exeter St Davids to Paignton
2F09 07:50 Paignton to Exmouth
2T12 09:25 Exmouth to Paignton
2F16 11:20 Paignton to Exmouth
2T19 12:57 Exmouth to Paignton
2F23 14:55 Paignton to Exmouth
2T26 16:27 Exmouth to Paignton
2F30 18:20 Paignton to Exmouth
2E33 19:58 Exmouth to Exeter St Davids

That's it. 150244+143618

greatvoyager · 19 Dec 2020

TEW said:
I'm guessing the GWR seat covers it did have have been taken out and used in 150207, which still had Northern seat covers.

Makes sense.

TJDevon · 19 Dec 2020

TEW said:
That's it. 150244+143618

Why has the 143 been turned out? What are Exeter short of?

PHILIPE · 19 Dec 2020

TJDevon said:
Why has the 143 been turned out? What are Exeter short of?

You can't always take one train in isolation and the big picture has to be looked at across the Network.

Fincra5 · 19 Dec 2020

TJDevon said:
Why has the 143 been turned out? What are Exeter short of?

Trains...

Jim · 19 Dec 2020

TJDevon said:
Why has the 143 been turned out? What are Exeter short of?

1 x 150 covering a 2+4
1 x 150 covering a 158

Best use of available resources

Parallel · 19 Dec 2020

Saw a singular 150 out on Paignton-Exmouths today. Shame 143619 didn't come out to play and join it!

143618 was well needed today going by the service I was on. It looked like there was some event on at Newcourt, lots of people joined the train there and nearly all rows of seats were occupied between there and Exmouth.

Was there also a 2 car 158 running Barnstaple - St James' Park today?

Apedlar12 · 20 Dec 2020

Parallel said:
Saw a singular 150 out on Paignton-Exmouths today. Shame 143619 didn't come out to play and join it!

143618 was well needed today going by the service I was on. It looked like there was some event on at Newcourt, lots of people joined the train there and nearly all rows of seats were occupied between there and Exmouth.

Was there also a 2 car 158 running Barnstaple - St James' Park today?

143619 is in Bristol currently at SPM depot so would have been near to impossible for it to have come out and been on Exmouth to Paignton services; 143617 is in Exeter though so that one could have come out.

Yes, 158765 was on the Barnstaple line today.

PHILIPE · 20 Dec 2020

143618 out again today with 150244 starting with 1012 Exeter St D. to Exmouth

Trainfan061193 · 20 Dec 2020

PHILIPE said:
143618 out again today with 150244 starting with Exeter St D. to Exmouth

Yes it’s been out since Friday.

PHILIPE · 20 Dec 2020

Trainfan061193 said:
Yes it’s been out since Friday.

It's been mentioned several times in the thread

cactustwirly · 20 Dec 2020

What's happened to the 166s then?

Apedlar12 · 20 Dec 2020

cactustwirly said:
What's happened to the 166s then?

Due to the shortage of train crew with GWR currently there hasn't been many days when a 166 has been on Exmouth to Paignton but 166208 was on there yesterday, 143618 and 150216 covered the 166 diagram on Friday as cover.

PHILIPE · 21 Dec 2020

Both 143617 and 143618 out today with 150s on Exmouth to Paigntons

Trainfan061193 · 21 Dec 2020

PHILIPE said:
Both 143617 and 143618 out today with 150s on Exmouth to Paigntons

Looks to be a real shortage of 150s today.

Jim · 21 Dec 2020

Trainfan061193 said:
Looks to be a real shortage of 150s today.

Not so much a shortage as in the wrong places.

1 x covering for a 255
1 x stuck at SPM awaiting move to Exeter
1 x covering for a 166.

Anonymous10 · 21 Dec 2020

Jim said:
Not so much a shortage as in the wrong places.

1 x covering for a 255
1 x stuck at SPM awaiting move to Exeter
1 x covering for a 166.

wrong places and shortage is same they are short of them where they need to be as other areas are short

Express380 · 21 Dec 2020

PHILIPE said:
Both 143617 and 143618 out today with 150s on Exmouth to Paigntons

Is it possible that you list the services they are on as Rtt seems a tad confused today thank you very much

Apedlar12 · 21 Dec 2020

Express380 said:
Is it possible that you list the services they are on as Rtt seems a tad confused today thank you very much

Here you go

150221 + 143617
2T04 05:58 Exeter St Davids to Paignton
2F08 07:22 Paignton to Exmouth
2T11 08:54 Exmouth to Paignton
2F15 10:39 Paignton to Exmouth
2T18 12:23 Exmouth to Paignton
2F22 14:20 Paignton to Exmouth
2T25 15:55 Exmouth to Paignton
2F29 17:39 Paignton to Exmouth
2T32 19:24 Exmouth to Paignton
2E36 21:12 Paignton to Exeter St Davids
2F36 22:40 Exeter St Davids to Exmouth
2E39 23:19 Exmouth to Exeter St Davids

150244 + 143618
2F03 05:45 Exeter St Davids to Exmouth
2T06 06:16 Exmouth to Paignton
2F10 08:15 Paignton to Exmouth
2T13 09:57 Exmouth to Paignton
2F17 11:54 Paignton to Exmouth
2T20 13:23 Exmouth to Paignton
2F24 15:24 Paignton to Exmouth
2T27 16:55 Exmouth to Paignton
2E31 18:52 Paignton to Exeter St Davids

Jim · 21 Dec 2020

Anonymous10 said:
wrong places and shortage is same they are short of them where they need to be as other areas are short

Factually speaking though of 150s there is not a shortage, 17 are required in service a day and 17 are provided. That is not a shortage?

Anonymous10 · 21 Dec 2020

Jim said:
Factually speaking though of 150s there is not a shortage, 17 are required in service a day and 17 are provided. That is not a shortage?

what i mean is is if pacers are out theres a shortage the 150s are out yes replacing other trains thus shortage

HamworthyGoods · 21 Dec 2020

Anonymous10 said:
what i mean is is if pacers are out theres a shortage the 150s are out yes replacing other trains thus shortage

This is why the pacers have been held in reserve - there is not an unexpected shortage as such; the extra HST diagrams were not expected to be fulfilled on day 1 (the first set of extra vehicles have only just arrived back at Laira). It was always planned that pacers would be able to cover over the early weeks of December.

The timetable change date was when the base plan changed. What happens on the day makes best use of the available resources at that time.

Amlag · 21 Dec 2020

It would seem prudent for the powers that be in the convoluted chain of command, to seek an extension beyond 31 Dec for the continued emergency use of the remaining three Exeter class 143 Pacer units.

Scottish-Exile · 21 Dec 2020

I've been asked by @Anonymous10 over on the TfW Pacer withdrawal thread, to put up some pics of the 3 GWR pacers that are now at Landore. I only have a few taken with my camera phone and with the gloomy South Wales weather, and dark green livery I find they don't show as well compared to the TfW units on site. Anyway, here's a few pics for you:

143 620 leads class mates 611 & 621 into Landore on Thursday 17/12/20

621 bringing up the rear

That's TfW 143 622 (l) and 604 (r) next to the GWR sets.

Clarence Yard · 21 Dec 2020

Amlag said:
It would seem prudent for the powers that be in the convoluted chain of command, to seek an extension beyond 31 Dec for the continued emergency use of the remaining three Exeter class 143 Pacer units.

The DfT want them gone - they have made their views crystal clear to the GWR management.

Trainfan061193 · 21 Dec 2020

Clarence Yard said:
The DfT want them gone - they have made their views crystal clear to the GWR management.

Yes it’s been said there would be serious consequences if the 143s were used after 31/12/20.

Anonymous10 · 21 Dec 2020

Trainfan061193 said:
Yes it’s been said there would be serious consequences if the 143s were used after 31/12/20.

correct tfw are only permitted to continue due to delays in stock and no alternative

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