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158766 today however due to an incident between Exeter and Newton Abbot was then cancelled at Exeter so was then attached to 150002 and went down on 2C43 together.
 
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Looks as if 2C42 was a 153 and has now been swapped for a 150 at Exeter so no 158 today but if the 158 ends up on Gunnislake like it did a few days ago it still could swap onto the correct diagram :)
 
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158957 (GWR) on a jolly today, trapped at Canton due Engineering Work so visiting Milford Have, MANCHESTER PICC and Pembroke Dock today
 
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PHILIPE said:
158957 (GWR) on a jolly today, trapped at Canton due Engineering Work so visiting Milford Have, MANCHESTER PICC and Pembroke Dock today
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Meanwhile GWR have cancelled a Bristol-Portsmouth diagram today due to lack of serviceable rolling stock.

One would think that GWR would ensure they had cover (with the usual one 'hot spare') for their own services before lending out to other TOCs.

Any opportunity GWR have of shooting themselves in the foot they appear to be very adept at taking.
 
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Meanwhile GWR have cancelled a Bristol-Portsmouth diagram today due to lack of serviceable rolling stock.

One would think that GWR would ensure they had cover (with the usual one 'hot spare') for their own services before lending out to other TOCs.

Any opportunity GWR have of shooting themselves in the foot they appear to be very adept at taking.
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It was looked at last night to see if the set could be moved to Bristol; but no crew available with the required combinations of route and traction knowledge; at the time the unit needed moving.

With the Severn Tunnel shut and limited paths available via Lydney (never mind almost all crew who sign the route being used to operate the booked services via Lydney as it is); the set was effectively trapped on Canton with no GWR work it could cover. Banking goodwill with Arriva isn’t necessarily a bad thing with the knock-on disruption they suffer with current weekend issues.
 
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It was looked at last night to see if the set could be moved to Bristol; but no crew available with the required combinations of route and traction knowledge; at the time the unit needed moving.

With the Severn Tunnel shut and limited paths available via Lydney (never mind almost all crew who sign the route being used to operate the booked services via Lydney as it is); the set was effectively trapped on Canton with no GWR work it could cover. Banking goodwill with Arriva isn’t necessarily a bad thing with the knock-on disruption they suffer with current weekend issues.
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It did manage go back to Bristol last Friday night, 150263 as an ECS but ATW had use of it the previous two weeks..
 
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Now been terminated at Abergavenny on the 09:08 Milford Haven to Manchester Piccadilly:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P53608/2018/06/30/advanced
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Terminated Abergavenny due to the conductor being taken ill. The following train (1Z15 running as a "Z" due to re-starting Cardiff as a result of late running) coupled up on the rear (Good job as it obviously wasn't a 175) and split again at Crewe. 158957, leading, ran forward to Manchester Picc and formed 1631 Manchester Picc to Milford Haven and 1Z15 unit returned from Crewe on 1531 Manchester to Pembroke Dock which started from Crewe and which should have been 158957s working.

EDIT:- Have heard since that 1Z15 was 158840
 
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It was looked at last night to see if the set could be moved to Bristol; but no crew available with the required combinations of route and traction knowledge; at the time the unit needed moving.

With the Severn Tunnel shut and limited paths available via Lydney (never mind almost all crew who sign the route being used to operate the booked services via Lydney as it is); the set was effectively trapped on Canton with no GWR work it could cover. Banking goodwill with Arriva isn’t necessarily a bad thing with the knock-on disruption they suffer with current weekend issues.
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GWR seeing the £££ signs ahead of their own customers needs. If paths were an issue it could have been attached to a service train and dropped off at Gloucester. Last weekend GWR were able to recover a unit.
 
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GWR seeing the £££ signs ahead of their own customers needs. If paths were an issue it could have been attached to a service train and dropped off at Gloucester. Last weekend GWR were able to recover a unit.
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It would have had to been attached to an ATW train but was it worth the trouble when safety case paper work has to be done.
 
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PHILIPE said:
It would have had to been attached to an ATW train but was it worth the trouble when safety case paper work has to be done.
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Nothing to do with safety case, it could have possibly gone back to Gloucester on the back of an ATW but then getting it to Bristol would have needed to attach to a 150/158 and most units are 166 on that line now and running it alone would have wasted a scarce driver. If "JN114"/GWR control could have got it back I have little doubt he wouldn't have, maybe some should accept the word of our insiders and not just use things to have a good old ill-informed anti GWR rant. And I certainly ain't no apologist.
 
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If "JN114" could have got it back I have little doubt he wouldn't have, maybe some should accept the word of our insiders and not just use things to have a good old ill-informed anti GWR rant. And I certainly ain't no apologist.
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For the record - so that I’m not being credited for work I didn’t do - I’m only a messenger in this. While I have been on nights over the weekend West fleet isn’t part of my responsibilities; I just know what was and wasn’t looked at.

The hire was agreed before SPM made any indication they were going to be as short as they were. When SPM did advise they were going to have to uncover an entire 158 diagram Arriva were contacted and options for cancelling the hire and getting the unit to Bristol were explored - options included hiring an Arriva driver to bring it across to Gloucester as father_jack eluded to. As I said up thread there was no driver(s) with the required combinations of route and traction knowledge to get the unit to Bristol. It was trapped in Wales at the time we wanted it moved (~0300 Saturday morning) There was potential to get it as far as Gloucester late in the morning attached to an ATW unit; but there were then no spare crew to get the set from Gloucester without causing cancellations. Plus the cancellations to the GWR services that it wouldn’t get to Bristol in time to work (at least 1 round trip to Portsmouth). Plus the cancellations to Arriva services where they were short a unit.

Once practical solutions to moving the unit were exhausted, Arriva were told they could keep the unit. As I understand this little delay caused it to have to change diagrams - hence why it went to Manchester not Tenby as it usually does.
 
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158957s work today:-

2E01 0955 Carmarthen to Milford Haven
1W14 1125 Milford Haven to Manchester Picc
1V99 1830 Manchester Picc to Cardiff Cen
 
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Parallel said:
“Platform 1 for the 12.23 Northern service to Penzance...” :D
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"Platform 7 for the 0722 Northern service to Portsmouth Harbour via Southampton Central, this train is formed of two coaches." :D. "Platform 9C for the 1724 Great Western Railway service to York." :D

Speaking of the cascade, it would be very interesting to see one of the 158's work the Looe Valley Line especially upon serving Coombe Junction Halt. The question of will it fit comes to mind.
 
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Diagram starting 2C42 to revert back to 150 operation now, as this service now heads to Newquay in the high summer timetable. In this case now, is 2C43 the replacement 158 diagram?
 
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Although both diagrams are booked as 158s, there is still a high likelihood that both diagrams will not be 158s (especially 2C69 diagram).
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The diagrams have changed this week due to the Summer Timetable alterations. The 0524 ex Bristol TM cannot be a 158 as it runs to Newquay during this period. Diagramming is all over the place this week due to the Severn Tunnel closure so almost everything is STP amended.
 
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PHILIPE said:
The diagrams have changed this week due to the Summer Timetable alterations. The 0524 ex Bristol TM cannot be a 158 as it runs to Newquay during this period. Diagramming is all over the place this week due to the Severn Tunnel closure so almost everything is STP amended.
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Yes, today:

2C67: 153333 + 150219
2C69: 150249
 
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And later, 1409 Plymouth to Penzance then 1644 Penzance to Exeter St David’s.
 
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Meanwhile 2 different 158 operated services cancelled between Bristol Parkway and Portsmouth this afternoon due to train faults. I wonder if one was 158959 as that really wasn’t sounding healthy when I boarded it at Brighton yesterday evening.
 
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