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RobShipway

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Not sure if this post should be here or in the Rolling Stock section, but on BBC South Today, it showed the following about a train that is going to cut help put up the masts, cables etc.. for the DWML electrification in half the time than it takes currently: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23317641

Is this the first type of this train, as I should I read somewhere about a similar train up north somewhere?
 
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HOOP High Output Overhead something. Its been mentioned on here a few times.
 

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Is this the first type of this train, as I should I read somewhere about a similar train up north somewhere?

Yes it's the first one of its type (three trains - piling, steelwork and wiring).
They are not using HOOP-type methods in the NW electrification, not sure what is planned for TP, probably the same as NW.
They seem to be getting on with things without the fancy kit.
It helps to have diversionary routes, which the GW doesn't have really.

To make HOOP work you need long stretches of similar work, like on GW (and probably MML).
I think they will use different methods for the complicated bits around Reading, Bristol and Cardiff, and the short TV branches.
In fact the wider South Wales work (Valleys, Swansea etc) will probably be more like the NW approach.

The three HOOP trains are supposed to start work in October, November and March respectively, with Amey in charge (NW is Balfour Beatty).
That gives them 30 months to reach Bristol by Sept 2016.
I make that 3-4 track-miles a week for each function.
It will be as much fun plotting progress as checking the Crossrail TBM positions!
 

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might be a stupid question....but OHLE on the GWML... it's reasonable to expect to be able to rebuild or raise bridges or lower the track bed for the odd short tunnel to get the cable up, maybe even have the odd dead section where it's "difficult to cost justify" the work required......but what are NR going to do in the Severn tunnel?
 

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Clearance must be possible, otherwise the entire scheme would fall flat on its face and it'd be the MML being electrified first. I vaguely remember reading that the electrification will be done by overhead conductor rail rather than normal tensioned cable but I can't remember whether that's confirmed by the industry, educated & well-informed speculation, amateur speculation or even just my brain making up nonsense. I'm sure someone will be along presently to confirm or slap me down :)
 

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Clearance must be possible, otherwise the entire scheme would fall flat on its face and it'd be the MML being electrified first. I vaguely remember reading that the electrification will be done by overhead conductor rail rather than normal tensioned cable but I can't remember whether that's confirmed by the industry, educated & well-informed speculation, amateur speculation or even just my brain making up nonsense. I'm sure someone will be along presently to confirm or slap me down :)

Network Rail's top man on electrification was quoted (IIRC in rail engineer mag a good while back), and he said there was no issue with the Severn Tunnel, and that either conventional limited clearance equipment (as used in many existing tunnels) or a conductor beam could be used, but the decision was yet to be made.

There have been many posts in this and other forums over quite a few years, proposing there were all sorts of difficulties about OHLE in the tunnel, and every time there's been no evidence provided. I've been able to find earlier NR quotes stating the exact opposite, a good few years ago there was even a report in Hansard that explained there were no issues.

Someone has even found a dimensioned drawing of the tunnel before showing that there is loads of clearance.

PS Found the article:
As for the tunnels – the big one I guess you’re interested in on GW is the Severn which in fact is really quite an electrification-friendly tunnel with quite good clearances. From the initial survey work we’ve done already, we’ve found that the room in the roof of the tunnel is capable of accommodating normal low encumbrance equipment like we put in tunnels elsewhere in the UK. And it would also be perfectly appropriate to use solid beam technology through the tunnel. We will consider both options when we move into the detail design phase.
http://tre.truth.posiweb.net/FeaturedArticles/railengineer/view/151

Seems to kick all the 'cant be done' rumours into touch. Wonder how long until someone else posts that it will be difficult?
 
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The Severn Tunnel will be electrified along with all tunnels on the route. It's not expected to be a major feat. With the Kemble-Swindon line doubled there will be plenty of capacity for diverted services whilst work is carried out.

Read here: http://tre.truth.posiweb.net/FeaturedArticles/railengineer/view/151

How is Kemble - Swindon progressing? Any indication on upgrades in services or journey times once it's done?

Also, I'd be curious to see a bigger version of your avi - do you have one?
 

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I read elsewhere that HOOP will be expected to do about half of the total work, with the rest by traditional methods. It is a fantastic bit of Four Sprung Duck Technique, which I look forward to seeing in action in due course. It's the first all-in-one that I know of, even though bits will operate independently quite often.

As with all these projects, the preparation takes as long and costs as much as the actual job. Bridges all along the route are being dealt with one way or the other. The only bit I have seen with my own eyes has been the replacement of this bridge:

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with this new one:

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at Stapleton Road station, between Bristol Parkway and Bristol Temple Meads. The new one is taller, has filled-in sides and steep coping on top. It is also modular - there is an aspiration to relay two additional tracks that were removed in the 1980s, and it will be a simple matter to extend the bridge.

Swindon to Kemble is coming along to plan, it seems. A number of preliminary works have been carried out, and a couple of miles of track and sleepers have appeared in parts where the alignment allows. There is to be a total shutdown from 9 August to 2 September, with bustitutions and diversions. The line was slewed after being singled, and in part is aligned down the centre. That needs putting back where it was, hence the need for the long possession. There will be another probable shutdown over Easter next year, after which the whole shoot-bang works will be done. Ribbons will be cut, speeches made, the odd cork will fly, and it will make a fine diversionary route whilst the Severn Tunnel is sorted out.

On that last item, I am happy to accept the assurance that powering the tunnel will not be a big issue. Beam electrification was once seen as trickier than cable, because of the way electricity behaves in a beam. On Thameslink, a new type of reduced depth conductor beam was developed by Balfour Beatty. It is 80mm in depth, compared to 110mm for traditional beam. It is a lightweight aluminium tube, arranged in a sinusoidal wave to spread wear on pantograph bushes, and it carries the untensioned power cable within it. It is harder wearing and longer lasting than cable, and doesn't behave like a solid beam There's a report in Rail Engineer.
 
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There are several bridges en route that need a rebuild to allow the electrification programme to roll out successfully; an example that I am familiar with is at Brougham Hayes in Bath (here). But for the most part, the existing infrastructure seems to be OK.

The bridge mentioned above is being rebuilt next year.
 

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How is Kemble - Swindon progressing? Any indication on upgrades in services or journey times once it's done?

I travelled this route a few weeks ago. I sat on the six-foot side of the train and I may be wrong but I got the impression that little has been done. Progress appeared to very slow!
 

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There's a new depot/stabling area being built Didcot side of Swindon Station to accommodate the new train.
 

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The bridge mentioned above is being rebuilt next year.

If you mean because of the disability access, then I find it astonishing that wasn't done at the same time. It's modular - does that mean it can habe a ramp bolted on?

I travelled this route a few weeks ago. I sat on the six-foot side of the train and I may be wrong but I got the impression that little has been done. Progress appeared to very slow!

There's more to it than meets the eye. A lot of earthworks have been done, some signalling, a fair bit of pre-assembly, and prelims for the level crossing upgrades. I reckon they've done as much as can be done with the railway still open. The real kick-ass action will come during the possession.
 

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How is Kemble - Swindon progressing? Any indication on upgrades in services or journey times once it's done?

My understanding is that the main functions of the re-doubling are to allow the route to more effectively act as a diversionary route, and to reduce knock-on delays caused by trains waiting for delayed trains to clear the line. I don’t think there will be any significant timetabled time savings, but with IEP there will be an hourly Cheltenham-London service – and it will mean more flexibility for timetabling as trains won’t have to be scheduled around the single section.

Also, I'd be curious to see a bigger version of your avi - do you have one?

It’s work in progress at the moment (as you can see from some of the mis-matched markers) but will eventually be a Thames Valley train/bus services map (each line showing 1 tph/bph with the appropriate calling patterns). I’m finding it a little hard to know where to stop at the moment though! I will post in due course for constructive criticism…
 

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Thanks - if you do a version without buses, do share it too.
 
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