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Today me and my girlfriend were travelling from London Victoria to Hampden Park. We bought tickets from Victoria to Clapham to get through the barriers as we were running late for our train. We intended to by full tickets but we lost track of time and ended up buying from Gatwick to Hampden Park instead (I know stupid), they then took this as us trying to avoid when we apologised and said we’d never had done anything like this before.
What will be the outcome of this as we both don’t want criminal records as our jobs depend on DBS.
Any advice or help please
 
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GTR do occasionally audit your ticket purchases to find out if you've done it before. As it stands you'll have to wait to be contacted; they have six months to bring a prosecution but provided you are honest and contrite you can normally avoid this by paying an out of court settlement to dispose of the offence. Obviously nobody is going to believe the story that you bought a ticket to Clapham "because you were in a rush", so it is better not to advance that story to them.
 
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So what’s the chances they take it to court?
And how long will we have to wait for a letter

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GTR do occasionally audit your ticket purchases to find out if you've done it before. As it stands you'll have to wait to be contacted; they have six months to bring a prosecution but provided you are honest and contrite you can normally avoid this by paying an out of court settlement to dispose of the offence. Obviously nobody is going to believe the story that you bought a ticket to Clapham "because you were in a rush", so it is better not to advance that story to them.

GTR do occasionally audit your ticket purchases to find out if you've done it before. As it stands you'll have to wait to be contacted; they have six months to bring a prosecution but provided you are honest and contrite you can normally avoid this by paying an out of court settlement to dispose of the offence. Obviously nobody is going to believe the story that you bought a ticket to Clapham "because you were in a rush", so it is better not to advance that story to them.
So if we just write a reply apologising saying it will never happen again and we will pay OOCS it will be all fine?
 

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So what’s the chances they take it to court?
And how long will we have to wait for a letter

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So if we just write a reply apologising saying it will never happen again and we will pay OOCS it will be all fine?
If this is your first offence with GTR (and even if they find several others by auditing your account), the chance of you getting an out of court settlement following an well-written, apologetic and timely letter (sometimes worth emailing a copy too) is probably near 99% from what we’ve seen on here.

But, please, whatever you do, don’t try to peddle the ridiculous fabrication that it was accidental to GTR - it slashes your odds of an out of court settlement. In future, if you’re going to lie, at least make sure it’s vaguely plausible!

There are plenty of good templates for the letter - @Hadders has a good one that he’s posted in other threads - when you get the notice of intended prosecution in the post (and not before!), you will need to respond stating/asking:

That you are sorry for your error of judgement/actions
That you won’t repeat it
Whether they will kindly settle out of court

Only refer to the incident(s) they have specified in your response and nothing you’ve done previously - don’t do their investigation for them!
 

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Today me and my girlfriend were travelling from London Victoria to Hampden Park. We bought tickets from Victoria to Clapham to get through the barriers as we were running late for our train. We intended to by full tickets but we lost track of time and ended up buying from Gatwick to Hampden Park instead (I know stupid), they then took this as us trying to avoid when we apologised and said we’d never had done anything like this before.
What will be the outcome of this as we both don’t want criminal records as our jobs depend on DBS.
Any advice or help please
Basically no one is going to believe this story.
How much longer does it take to buy a ticket to Hampden Park than it takes to buy one to Clapham?
What you did looks like deliberate evasion.
If you want to avoid court don’t annoy them by telling them what they will think are lies is my advice.

They weren’t born yesterday.

So just focus on apologising for what is best described as a serious error of judgment on your part and offer to pay what you owe.

Persuade them you won’t do it again and stick to that promise.
 

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One point to add is that in similar circumstances with two travellers, we've sometimes seen different treatment between them. I think the best way to avoid this is to make sure a fully detailed reply is sent for each person: don't assume that if (say) your girlfriend replies and you don't, that somehow the railway will know that what she says also applies to you.
 
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One point to add is that in similar circumstances with two travellers, we've sometimes seen different treatment between them. I think the best way to avoid this is to make sure a fully detailed reply is sent for each person: don't assume that if (say) your girlfriend replies and you don't, that somehow the railway will know that what she says also applies to you.
Of course, so because it happened to both of us at the same time our accounts are going to be pretty similar. Is this an issue?

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Basically no one is going to believe this story.
How much longer does it take to buy a ticket to Hampden Park than it takes to buy one to Clapham?
What you did looks like deliberate evasion.
If you want to avoid court don’t annoy them by telling them what they will think are lies is my advice.

They weren’t born yesterday.

So just focus on apologising for what is best described as a serious error of judgment on your part and offer to pay what you owe.

Persuade them you won’t do it again and stick to that promise.
I know it was pretty stupid but we genuinely weren’t intending to skip anything. It was just a massive lapse of judgment. So this harder has some good drafts I’ve heard?
 

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Of course, so because it happened to both of us at the same time our accounts are going to be pretty similar. Is this an issue?

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I know it was pretty stupid but we genuinely weren’t intending to skip anything. It was just a massive lapse of judgment. So this harder has some good drafts I’ve heard?
No. That shouldn't be a problem.
 

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I know it was pretty stupid but we genuinely weren’t intending to skip anything.
So how were you intending to pay for all of your journey between London and Hampden Park?
The only reason to buy a ticket to Clapham would be to get through the barriers at Victoria.
Otherwise you could have bought a ticket to Hampden Park instead.

It was just a massive lapse of judgment.
Well it was if you didn’t intend to buy a ticket for the whole journey. But you simultaneously claim you didn’t intend to skip anything….

As the saying goes ‘I’ll believe you, thousands wouldn’t’

So this harder has some good drafts I’ve heard?
I think you’ve probably got a typo here so not sure what you are asking here.
People will certainly help you draft responses when you and your girlfriend hear from GTR / Southern.

Assuming you gave correct postal addresses for them to contact you? It’s most likely by letter and could be 6 to 8 weeks before they write. But also check email and spam.

If you were given any paperwork or slip of paper with a reference number on it keep that safe in case you need it.
 
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So how were you intending to pay for all of your journey between London and Hampden Park?
The only reason to buy a ticket to Clapham would be to get through the barriers at Victoria.
Otherwise you could have bought a ticket to Hampden Park instead.


Well it was if you didn’t intend to buy a ticket for the whole journey. But you simultaneously claim you didn’t intend to skip anything….

As the saying goes ‘I’ll believe you, thousands wouldn’t’


I think you’ve probably got a typo here so not sure what you are asking here.
People will certainly help you draft responses when you and your girlfriend hear from GTR / Southern.

Assuming you gave correct postal addresses for them to contact you? It’s most likely by letter and could be 6 to 8 weeks before they write. But also check email and spam.

If you were given any paperwork or slip of paper with a reference number on it keep that safe in case you need it.
We thought it would be quicker to buy a ticket to get through then buy our tickets on the train. It was a stupid mistake and definitely won’t happen again. We were given to orange tickets with reference numbers. I meant hadders not harder for the typo too
 

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We thought it would be quicker to buy a ticket to get through then buy our tickets on the train. It was a stupid mistake and definitely won’t happen again. We were given to orange tickets with reference numbers. I meant hadders not harder for the typo too
Keep the ref numbers safe. Eg take pics of those tickets.

For future ref if in a hurry you could try buying to Ore. it’s shorter to type than Clapham. You would pay more as it’s beyond Hampden Park but tickets would have been valid
 

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We thought it would be quicker to buy a ticket to get through
Quicker to buy the cheapest possible ticket to get through the barriers than to use the same method but just type "Hampden Park" :lol:

None of us were born yesterday and neither was the train company.
 

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Were you ‘in n a hurry’ on other occasions? People are assuming you used a ticket vending machine, although I note you haven’t explicitly stated that it was paper tickets. The tickets you bought during your journey were clearly purchased online, as you haven’t said you got off the train.

They will check your purchase history.
 
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Were you ‘in n a hurry’ on other occasions? People are assuming you used a ticket vending machine, although I note you haven’t explicitly stated that it was paper tickets. The tickets you bought during your journey were clearly purchased online, as you haven’t said you got off the train.

They will check your purchase history.
I haven’t bought a paper ticket in about 6 years. My purchase history will show one type of journey, from Hampden Park to the town which is one stop.

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Quicker to buy the cheapest possible ticket to get through the barriers than to use the same method but just type "Hampden Park" :lol:

None of us were born yesterday and neither was the train company.
This wasn’t on a ticket system at the station it was on our phones at the barrier on Trainline
 

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I haven’t bought a paper ticket in about 6 years. My purchase history will show one type of journey, from Hampden Park to the town which is one stop.
One stop? That might cause someone who was just caught trying to short fare even more issues.

This wasn’t on a ticket system at the station it was on our phones at the barrier on Trainline
Oh, was Clapham Junction already pre-populated then as a frequent journey from Victoria?
 

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I know it was pretty stupid but we genuinely weren’t intending to skip anything. It was just a massive lapse of judgment. So this harder has some good drafts I’ve heard?
Okay, let’s assume that your story is true and you didn’t intend to short-fare - regardless, please do not say this to GTR.

Can you understand how your ticket purchases look to them? Sincerely apologising for your error of judgement in not buying a ticket for your entire journey, promising you won’t repeat and asking politely if they’ll consider settling out of court is far more likely to get you an out of court settlement here than saying it wasn’t intentional, whether true or not.

Please post both your and your partner’s letter on here so we can help you get the best chance of an out-of-court settlement.
 

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Okay, let’s assume that your story is true and you didn’t intend to short-fare - regardless, please do not say this to GTR.

Can you understand how your ticket purchases look to them? Sincerely apologising for your error of judgement in not buying a ticket for your entire journey, promising you won’t repeat and asking politely if they’ll consider settling out of court is far more likely to get you an out of court settlement here than saying it wasn’t intentional, whether true or not.

Please post both your and your partner’s letter on here so we can help you get the best chance of an out-of-court settlement.
I very much agree that this is the approach that the OP needs to take when responding when they receive their letters from GTR-Southern

@bigbear1516876 - the general advice often given on this forum is worth you reading through - I've copied it below in case you have not already seen it on other threads


Firstly, you committed a criminal offence by travelling with an invalid ticket and railway companies are entitled to prosecute you in the Magistrates Court if they want to. The good news is they will normally offer an out of court settlement to people who co-operate with them and who haven't come to their attention before.

Next, what happens is the railway company will write to you. The letter will go to the address that you gave them / on any of your ID they checked so you need to be able to access hard copy post at that address as they often send things that way (but also check e-mail and spam). It is extremely important that you reply, and you'll only have a limited time to do so (often 14 days from the date on their communication).

When you receive the letter post a redacted copy of it in this thread, along with your draft reply and forum members will proof read it for you. You'll find lots of example letters you can use in this section of the forum but the reply basically needs to mention:

- That you are sorry for what has happened
- What you have learned from the incident and will not do this again
- That you are keen to settle the matter without the need for court action
- Offer to pay the outstanding fare and the railway company’s administrative costs in dealing with the matter

The railway will probably offer you an out of court settlement. Expect to have to pay the cost of the fare for the journey you made at the full Anytime rate with no credit given for the invalid ticket you purchased. In addition they will charge an admin fee, typically £150. They will also audit your online ticket purchase history and if this shows you've purchased other tickets that were not valid (eg railcard discounted tickets when you did not have a valid railcard, or tickets for only part of the journey, or tickets bought after boarding the train you travelled on) they will probably factor the cost of these journeys into the settlement offer. Depending on how many journeys you've made over the period concerned this could end up being expensive.

Settlements usually have to be paid in full within a few days of them being offered so if money is tight you might want to think about how you will raise the sum required at short notice.
 

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Today me and my girlfriend were travelling from London Victoria to Hampden Park. We bought tickets from Victoria to Clapham to get through the barriers as we were running late for our train. We intended to by full tickets but we lost track of time and ended up buying from Gatwick to Hampden Park instead
Any advice or help please

If not buying Advance tickets, why was it not possible to buy the tickets before reaching Victoria?

In any event you only had a limited window to buy legal tickets, They would have to be bought before the train reached Clapham.
 

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One stop? That might cause someone who was just caught trying to short fare even more issues.


Oh, was Clapham Junction already pre-populated then as a frequent journey from Victoria?
If it was the quickest ticket to purchase in a hurry, that might make more sense, but you would have to spell this out to the TOC when you receive the letters. Lots of people on this forum questioned your motives, and expect the TOC to do likewise.

However, this does not explain why you did not then buy a Clapham Junction to Hampden Park ticket as soon as you sat downin the train
 

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If it was the quickest ticket to purchase in a hurry, that might make more sense, but you would have to spell this out to the TOC when you receive the letters. Lots of people on this forum questioned your motives, and expect the TOC to do likewise.

However, this does not explain why you did not then buy a Clapham Junction to Hampden Park ticket as soon as you sat downin the train
These are al the reason why the OP should steer clear of getting into using this excuse as an explanation - they just need to apologise for not having had a valid ticket for their whole journey, say they made a serious error of judgment in that respect, and assure the rail company it won't happen again.

Anything else might just provoke an investigator into digging a bit deeper which is not in the OPs interest.

As hinted above I suspect they have done this before (short fared) and Clapham Jct was possibly an auto fill on their buying screen....
 

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One stop? That might cause someone who was just caught trying to short fare even more issues.


Oh, was Clapham Junction already pre-populated then as a frequent journey from Victoria?
I can see why one my travel one stop from Hampden Park, if one was heading into Eastbourne.
 

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I can see why one my travel one stop from Hampden Park, if one was heading into Eastbourne.
Having once lived in the area that will be a very common ticket purchase for people who are legitimate travellers.

I guess an investigator would know that - but if they also say bought for travel the same day a ticket from Brighton to London Road Brighton, for example, they would then regard the similarly dated Eastbourne ticket with suspicion.
 
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Ok I will take all advice said and apologise for the lapse in judgement we had made. There’s no point in me keeping on saying that it was an error and not on purpose as no one believes it. When the letters are sent I’ll post them in this thread

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If it was the quickest ticket to purchase in a hurry, that might make more sense, but you would have to spell this out to the TOC when you receive the letters. Lots of people on this forum questioned your motives, and expect the TOC to do likewise.

However, this does not explain why you did not then buy a Clapham Junction to Hampden Park ticket as soon as you sat downin the train
It was just a lapse in judgement as we got caught in other things. If I’m going into town for say then I’ll always get a ticket from Hampden Park to Eastbourne. I don’t see how they can see it as suspicious as it’s a genuine journey I take
 

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I think you should be ok.

Am I right to assume you have an address in Hampden Park? This proves one end of these tickets to be legitimate.

Eastbourne has barriers, so they'll have the scan history, and can tell these tickets were used legitimately.
 

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