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GTR cancellations including not operating from Victoria until 10th Jan

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Still no Victoria Reigate trains apart from Weekends, no Victoria from Coulsdon apart from weekends
The weekend service is now better than the weekday.
GTR seem to see this as an opportunity to no longer provide a proper service.
When I moved here 18 years ago in the rush hour we had 4 trains an hour to London Bridge and 4 to Victoria we now have no Victoria services
Its been explained that due to the shortage of train planning resources and the looming Brighton Line blockade they have established a stable timetable that can be resourced day in day out and outside of external disruption that's exactly what they have been doing. Its not particularly convenient for me either but frequencies are reasonable given the dire state of its neighbour SWR.
 
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Its been suggested elsewhere in this thread that the Vic service will be reinstated from 27th Feb after the Brighton Line blockade has concluded.
I was wondering if the poster whose post I quoted could give an inkling of what's going on, as they seem to have inside information. I am aware of the rumours!
 

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I was wondering if the poster whose post I quoted could give an inkling of what's going on, as they seem to have inside information. I am aware of the rumours!
If they have inside information, they are unlikely to post details of it on this forum before it is formally released by their employer.
 

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There certainly wasn't a massive surge of people returning to work today from what I could see. I guess Boris isn't going to change things overnight, if at all.
Tap-ins on the Underground up 6% in the AM peak on Monday compared with the previous Monday, so there's an immediate change which will inevitably continue to increase, especially as the dark days of winter recede.
 

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In my sector, mandatory return is probably never, and if it will happen, it will be probably 2 days a week from some time in 2025!
Surely, now the cat is out of the bag, a good proportion of staff will prefer to WFH - and it may well suit the employer too?
Many will never return to regular commuting.
 

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Correspondence from our local MP
I have now met with Southern Rail

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Following the meeting, I can share with you that current reduced services are unfortunately likely to remain in place until Monday 21st February 2022, thereafter Southern Rail aim to go back to the pre-Christmas tameable. This means that the East Croydon to London Bridge should resume from Sydenham and Forest Hill on that date. However, Southern has told me that the London Bridge - London Victoria loop line that was due to be brought back at peak times from the beginning of January is unlikely to come back until staff absences drop to 12%
 

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Tap-ins on the Underground up 6% in the AM peak on Monday compared with the previous Monday, so there's an immediate change which will inevitably continue to increase, especially as the dark days of winter recede.

No sooner did I say this yesterday than I heard some GN metro trains were crush loaded between New Barnet and Finsbury Park today, as well as trains via Gordon Hill. Perhaps the return to work is still slower for those coming in from outside of London, but it does seem that we can't get a return to the normal timetable quick enough.

The extra services that ran last week haven't run so far this week, which is unfortunate.
 

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No sooner did I say this yesterday than I heard some GN metro trains were crush loaded between New Barnet and Finsbury Park today, as well as trains via Gordon Hill. Perhaps the return to work is still slower for those coming in from outside of London, but it does seem that we can't get a return to the normal timetable quick enough.

The extra services that ran last week haven't run so far this week, which is unfortunate.
No surprise at all, since New Barnet, Oakleigh Park and New Southgate used to have 6 trains per hour during the peak pre March 2019 (4 to Moorgate and 2 to Kings Cross). These stations now only have 2 trains per hour during the weekday peak. An 66% reduction in the number of trains during the weekday peak.

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I've estimated that New Barnet, Oakleigh Park and New Southgate now have about 46 less trains per day into London now compared with the March 2019 timetable. That's a huge reduction in the level of service at these North London stations.
 

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No surprise at all, since New Barnet, Oakleigh Park and New Southgate used to have 6 trains per hour during the peak pre March 2019 (4 to Moorgate and 2 to Kings Cross). These stations now only have 2 trains per hour during the weekday peak. An 66% reduction in the number of trains during the weekday peak.

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I've estimated that New Barnet, Oakleigh Park and New Southgate now have about 46 less trains per day into London now compared with the March 2019 timetable. That's a huge reduction in the level of service at these North London stations.

Hopefully those extra morning services will resume soon, which ran last week but were cancelled today and yesterday.
 

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Surely, now the cat is out of the bag, a good proportion of staff will prefer to WFH - and it may well suit the employer too?
Many will never return to regular commuting.
The level of investment in expensive offices in the City of London over last 18mths doesn't concur with employers not wanting to have staff in the office. More likely outcome is more hybrid working leading to lower overall levels of commuting and more spread through the day. This is no bad thing and if the high peak is consigned to history that should allow a more stable service to be operated from dawn to dusk which will be more reliable and deliver confidence for people to use them. Biggest medium term issue is right sizing rolling stock and staffing provision to match that demand.
 

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Tap-ins on the Underground up 6% in the AM peak on Monday compared with the previous Monday, so there's an immediate change which will inevitably continue to increase, especially as the dark days of winter recede.

although what’s behind the headline is that this week typically sees a 4-5% rise in commuting over last week, every year.
 

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although what’s behind the headline is that this week typically sees a 4-5% rise in commuting over last week, every year.
Wimbledon town centre was very busy at lunchtime today with Pret and Starbucks both full of lunchers (is that a word??). They can't all be out of work or on leave.

Of course, what could be happening if the railway isn't seeing a return of commuters is that they've abandoned the trains and are going by car instead.
 

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Wimbledon town centre was very busy at lunchtime today with Pret and Starbucks both full of lunchers (is that a word??). They can't all be out of work or on leave.

Of course, what could be happening if the railway isn't seeing a return of commuters is that they've abandoned the trains and are going by

I would imagine many people have given up using overcrowded commuter trains and would rather drive on the days they need to go to the office.
 

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I would imagine many people have given up using overcrowded commuter trains and would rather drive on the days they need to go to the office.
In London? Doubtful. Price of parking, congestion charge, etc. will knock that on the head.
 

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Wimbledon town centre was very busy at lunchtime today with Pret and Starbucks both full of lunchers (is that a word??). They can't all be out of work or on leave.

Of course, what could be happening if the railway isn't seeing a return of commuters is that they've abandoned the trains and are going by car instead.

They could be working at home, and popped out for lunch of course.

Commuters are returning, just not all at once.
 

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They could be working at home, and popped out for lunch of course.

Commuters are returning, just not all at once.
They could be. Personally I wouldn't pay to have lunch at Pret if I'm working in the comfort of my home either in the kitchen or the kitchen just a few feet away.
 

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People working from home had the potential to save a lot of money (bar perhaps higher electricity/heating costs, which will still be a load less than a Starbucks on the way in, Pret for lunch and possibly another drink after work).

I wonder if those who do go back on a (semi)regular basis will quickly get back into the habit of spending £5-20 a day on food and drink? Perhaps people will start with a packed lunch and best intentions and quickly revert to laziness and convenience...

It's no wonder Boris and others want people back in town to protect these huge chains.
 

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I wonder if those who do go back on a (semi)regular basis will quickly get back into the habit of spending £5-20 a day on food and drink? Perhaps people will start with a packed lunch and best intentions and quickly revert to laziness and convenience...

Everyone back in my office has immediately reverted to pre covid behaviour.

Personally I was missing my Pret!
 

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In London? Doubtful. Price of parking, congestion charge, etc. will knock that on the head.

Westfield Stratford offer all day parking for £8 per day. I already know a number of people who park there and then get the tube or DLR from Stratford.
 
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