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Gresley A4 Pacifics

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SteveP29

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Not sure if this is the correct forum to be osting this, but this has been niggling me for weeks now.....

Does anyone know why the Gresley A4 Pacifics were different colours, ie, blue (Mallard & Sir Nigel Gresley), green (Union of Souyh Africa) etc

There's probably a really simple raeson, but Google is failing to give me anything substantive.
Thanks in advance
 
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not being a "steamie" myself... i seem to recall reading an article about the A4s a number of years ago...

iirc there were a couple of them repainted into "Garter Blue" for hauling a special train... i cant remember the name.. but i think the carraiges had a beaver tail observation carraige at the end ...

although id probably suggest that most of the locos would have been painted in BR green at some point... but in preservation locos will have been repainted at their owners whim, and most likely into certain colours because thats the way people remember them... a bit like Flying Scotsman... despite it having carried several liveries... the one that its most associated with is LNER "Apple green"

although im sure someone else will have more knowlege about the locos...
 

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Silver livery and garter blue were original LNER liveries; I'm sure I read very recently that a few did even carry apple green, which was news to me! The dark green was the BR livery. During the war, of course, all over black wa applied.
 

E&W Lucas

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4 were painted silver grey for the Coronation streamlined train. Silver fox, silver link, etc. The names give it away.

The remainder were a mix of apple green & garter blue pre war. Wartime, anything that went into works came out in unlined black, and that included pacifics. (see 4472's latest repaint).

Post war, LNER garter blue, before BR took over. Some went into the short lived BR blue, as 60007 carries at present, before the universal application of BR green livery.
 

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If I've added that up right, that's six different liveries?

It would be nice to have on in silver on the main line again wouldn't it?:)
 

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The original four, Silver Link, Quicksilver, Sliver King and Silver Fox were intended for the Silver Jubilee express, a once-a-day service from Newcastle to King's Cross and return, introduced in the same year as King George V's silver jubilee. The next four, Golden Fleece, Golden Shuttle, Golden Eagle and Golden Plover were standard LNER apple green, intended for the West Riding Limited from Bradford and Leeds to King's Cross and return. They also introduced a batch of "general service" A4s with bird names, intended to run alongside the A1s and A3s, allowing the last Atlantics to be phased out. These worked the Flying Scotsman as well.

Later, the regulator of the day relaxed the restrictions on train times between London and Scotland, allowing the LNER to introduce the Coronation express between King's Cross and Edinburgh (in the year of King George VI's coronation). The five A4s intended for this all had Imperial names, Empire of India, Union of South Africa, Dominion of Canada, Commonwealth of Australia and Dominion of New Zealand. For this, they introduced the new garter blue livery, with garter and Marlborough blue for coaches. Pretty soon, it spread to the other A4s as well, including the silver ones. Partly, this was because the apple green paint tended to flake off the smokebox sides because of the heat. The A4s yet to be built, originally with bird names, but later usurped by company directors, were also painted garter blue from the start.

Plenty of good information here.
 

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LNER apple green was carried was carried by all 10 of the second batch when built. Some had the black around the smokebox which finished vertically behind the nameplate (4484-7) instead of the more usual curve.

4482 used the corridor tender that once was Flying Scotsman's (anyone know if this is the one 4472 has now?).

4488-92 were renamed and painted in to Garter blue for the Coronation and West Riding and the names were used on later "green" A4's. (for example 4488 was "Osprey" while green until painted blue as "Union of South Africa" and 4494 took the "Osprey" name when built).

There is an excellent book "Mallard and the A4 Class" by David McIntosh. Has Some rare pics of the A4's in their earlier liveries. (I have it, hence the info!!!)
 
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