Greek Street bridge replacement Stockport

[AndrewE]

Yes, exactly my point. There may not be room for a 5th line but removal of that centre pier gives track designers of the future a blank sheet of paper for crossover etc locations.

I would be very surprised if they spent time and money on digging up a huge concrete bridge pier. I'm sure it will be very solid and if there isn't an immediate need for the space, I'm certain NR wouldn't invest in this way...

 

[edwin_m]

If the new bridge spans right across, the pier is redundant. Any part of it that's not dug out as part of the bridge replacement can be dug out later if the space it occupies is ever needed for something else.

 

[furnessvale]

If the new bridge spans right across, the pier is redundant. Any part of it that's not dug out as part of the bridge replacement can be dug out later if the space it occupies is ever needed for something else.

Thank you for being the only contributor to understand what I was saying.

 

[AndrewE]

Thank you for being the only contributor to understand what I was saying.

Not the only one, what you said is obvious, but I was thinking of the practicalities of digging out a huge slab sometime in the future when it is under the wires and effectively in a tunnel...
I meant that although it would easier now, I couldn't imagine NR putting that investment in against a faintly-possible need sometime in the future.

 

[Nottingham59]

Not the only one, what you said is obvious, but I was thinking of the practicalities of digging out a huge slab sometime in the future when it is under the wires and effectively in a tunnel...
I meant that although it would easier now, I couldn't imagine NR putting that investment in against a faintly-possible need sometime in the future.

The NR video in post #1 shows the central support being removed at 4m00s (down to just above the level of the ballast), which I why I asked about the scope for realigning the track layout. (Which, BTW, already has five tracks under the bridge itself).

 

[p1ash]

I heard that the bridge replacement would facilitate space for installation of a metrolink track…presumably from removal of the pier?

 

[Chester1]

I heard that the bridge replacement would facilitate space for installation of a metrolink track…presumably from removal of the pier?

It would but the other option is running tracks across the new round about itself rather below. There hasn't been any progress on Metrolink to Stockport for a while.

 

[Rail Ranger]

This may already be widely known, but I have seen a Manchester Evening News article from December 2024 which says that the replacement of the Stockholm Road bridge over the Chester line in Stockport, which had been due to take place at the same time as the Greek Street bridge replacement, has been deferred to a later date.

 

[jfollows]

Bus services changes leaflet:

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We live in Stockport. My wife works literally at the end of Greek Street, on the A6. Will buses terminate each side of the A6?

See attachment.

 

[plugwash]

The TLR is that

* The 11,368 and 374 will continue further along the A6, turning down Longshut Lane West instead of greek street.
* The 312 and 313 will run via picadilly and hillgate before heading down Longshut Lane West.
* The 309/310 will avoid the A6 entirely and run through edgely in both directions to/from the bus station.

 

[CHAPS2034]

The TLR is that

* The 11,368 and 374 will continue further along the A6, turning down Longshut Lane West instead of greek street.
* The 312 and 313 will run via picadilly and hillgate before heading down Longshut Lane West.

All the other traffic will use Longshut Lane West too where the lights only let about 6-10 vehicles out onto / across the A6 at each change!

 

[furnessvale]

All the other traffic will use Longshut Lane West too where the lights only let about 6-10 vehicles out onto / across the A6 at each change!

They can alter the phasing. They certainly did this at the A6-Albion Rd junction in New Mills during recent road works.

 

[CHAPS2034]

They can alter the phasing. They certainly did this at the A6-Albion Rd junction in New Mills during recent road works.

I did hear that some work was being carried out at this junction this week to reduce delays, so maybe they have done that, although I got the impression it was some physical work. Or maybe both.

 

[plugwash]

Was on a 313 just now and the driver did not seem to have got the memo about the diversion, neither did the bus in front of us (a 309 I think). Both headed down greek street and had to turn round because of the road closure.

 

[CHAPS2034]

Was on a 313 just now and the driver did not seem to have got the memo about the diversion, neither did the bus in front of us (a 309 I think). Both headed down greek street and had to turn round because of the road closure.

I thought the closure started tomorrow (31st) as this is what all the public notices are saying. Sounds like someone has started a couple of hours early!

From tracking various buses, it seems the road was closed about 10pm. Let's hope that they can reopen it earlier than planned too!

 

[Rail Ranger]

Footage released of work on Greek Street bridge over Easter: https://www.networkrailmediacentre....sed-of-major-stockport-railway-bridge-renewal

 

[Thomas6187]

It appears that Northern are going to take over East Midlands's slots over the August block. Two services in the morning starting at Liverpool Lime Street, with the rest starting at Piccadilly, non stop Piccadilly to Sheffield.

 

[luvchocolate]

I travel to Stockport from Huddersfield weekly to visit Grandchildren..fortunately I can go Piccadilly to Gatley...really wish the airport train still stopped at Gatley.
A direct train would be brilliant

 

[jfollows]

I travel to Stockport from Huddersfield weekly to visit Grandchildren..fortunately I can go Piccadilly to Gatley...really wish the airport train still stopped at Gatley.
A direct train would be brilliant

There’s an hourly service Gatley-Piccadilly non-stop, going subsequently to Barrow at xx.34. But if you mean to Stockport, fair enough.

 

[Mcr Warrior]

I travel to Stockport from Huddersfield weekly to visit Grandchildren..fortunately I can go Piccadilly to Gatley...really wish the airport train still stopped at Gatley.
A direct train would be brilliant

One change not too bad, surely? From Gatley, you can get to/from Barrow-in-Furness (SuX), Blackpool North, Crewe (SuX), Liverpool Lime Street and Windermere (SuX) on direct trains, as well as to Manchester Airport + Manchester Piccadilly. Think Huddersfield to Gatley (direct + hourly) is currently still possible on a Sunday.

 

[duffield]

It appears that Northern are going to take over East Midlands's slots over the August block. Two services in the morning starting at Liverpool Lime Street, with the rest starting at Piccadilly, non stop Piccadilly to Sheffield.

Yes, I've been having a look at the times on RTT - the Northern stopper leaves five minutes after the non stop Northern service, then the TPE service to Clee leaves 25 minutes later, and nearly catches the stopper by Sheffield. Lots more traffic than usual through New Mills Central!

 

[33109]

No chance at all, it will take the junction out.

That'll mean no weekly parliamentary service from stockport - stalybridge through reddish south & denton.

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Some spare lengths of rail lying in the four foot at macclesfield. Presumably these are for somewhere on the section to kidsgrove?

 

[The Planner]

That'll mean no weekly parliamentary service from stockport - stalybridge through reddish south & denton.

Likely not, unless there no work happening at Heaton Norris.

 

[Rail Ranger]

A leaflet has appeared (attached) with details of service changes during the Stockport blockade (from 2nd to 22nd August (inclusive)). The additional Northern fast service between Piccadilly and Sheffield will only run on Monday to Friday. Crewing difficulties at weekends? Rail tickets will be valid on Metrolink between Altrincham and Manchester City Centre.

 

[The Planner]

A leaflet has appeared (attached) with details of service changes during the Stockport blockade (from 2nd to 22nd August (inclusive)). The additional Northern fast service between Piccadilly and Sheffield will only run on Monday to Friday. Crewing difficulties at weekends? Rail tickets will be valid on Metrolink between Altrincham and Manchester City Centre.

Northern are replacing the EMR service which isnt running.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

There does seem a great difference in time allowances for the rail blockade and the vehicular Greek Street roundabout traffic flows. Why such a time difference?

 

[py_megapixel]

A leaflet has appeared (attached) with details of service changes during the Stockport blockade (from 2nd to 22nd August (inclusive)). The additional Northern fast service between Piccadilly and Sheffield will only run on Monday to Friday. Crewing difficulties at weekends? Rail tickets will be valid on Metrolink between Altrincham and Manchester City Centre.

I'm glad to see they've arranged ticket acceptance on TfGM buses, but the list of routes is a bit strange. In particular:

378 Stockport - Bramhall - Heald Green - Cheadle Hulme
378A Stockport - Davenport - Bramhall - Cheadle Hulme

The 378 route is actually circular, Stockport - Bramhall - Heald Green - Cheadle Hulme - Bramhall - Stockport. It has a counterpart which goes round the loop the other way, numbered 379, which is not on the list. So their list implies that you can use this route in one direction only?!?

The 378A is an evening/Sunday version of the 378, which is identical except that it turns back once it reaches the edge of Cheadle Hulme, cutting off the loop through Heald Green. In fact the 378 and 378A (and indeed 379!) all serve Davenport, so I'm not sure why they suggest that the 378 doesn't.

42C Handforth Dean - Heald Green - Cheadle - Piccadilly Gardens

This one is even more bizarre. The 42C doesn't really replace any of the affected routes, but all other variants of the 42 do: they connect Stockport (42), Heaton Chapel (42A) or Bramhall (42B) to central Manchester.

 

[edwin_m]

There does seem a great difference in time allowances for the rail blockade and the vehicular Greek Street roundabout traffic flows. Why such a time difference?

I'm assuming the road closure is a lot longer. That will be because while they remove the road and relocate all the utilities, road traffic can't operate but the railway still can. There is then a much shorter period when the railway is closed to demolish the structure and erect the replacement, after which the railway can re-open but the road has to stay closed while they put everything back on top.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I'm assuming the road closure is a lot longer. That will be because while they remove the road and relocate all the utilities, road traffic can't operate but the railway still can. There is then a much shorter period when the railway is closed to demolish the structure and erect the replacement, after which the railway can re-open but the road has to stay closed while they put everything back on top.

From what I was told, the rail closure was approximately one month, but the roundabout was to be closed for twelve months.

 

[swt_passenger]

From what I was told, the rail closure was approximately one month, but the roundabout was to be closed for twelve months.

That’s not an unusual ratio really. The work last Christmas just outside St Pancras on the MML, (Agar Grove deck), was somewhat similar, a road bridge over 5 or 6 tracks supporting a busy road junction, all packed with utilities. I think that was about 9 days rail closure and about 7 months of varying road closures, crane rigging and derigging etc etc.

The thread is here if you haven’t seen it before, includes some interesting drone video coverage:

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