Great Western Livery

[Parallel]

I’ve not seen a GWR interior ‘refresh’ 153 either. Are we sure it’s been done? There are still two ex-London Midland 153s running about. One with green LM seat covers.

 

[D2007wsm]

I’ve not seen a GWR interior ‘refresh’ 153 either. Are we sure it’s been done? There are still two ex-London Midland 153s running about. One with green LM seat covers.

I thought the 153s were not being done. The FGW interior 153s were refurbed to a higher standard than the London Midland interior other than the screen on the ceilings. Are these not the 153s in advertising livery?

With Northern supposedly changing the seats in their 158s, could some of the original 158 seats taken out be used by GWR to get rid of the Richmond seats on the 158s? I dont have a problem with these, but it would stop the inconsistency of 2 different types of seat in one unit. When the 158/9s were made up, why didn't they break up units with the same seats to add the carriage?

With the rumoured swap of 150209 for 150207 with Northern which has Chapman seats, will this refurbed into a standard GWR 150/2 interior with 2x2 seating and tables? these are far nicer than 3x3 and stops having a 1 of unit of the subclass.

 

[PHILIPE]

I thought the 153s were not being done. The FGW interior 153s were refurbed to a higher standard than the London Midland interior other than the screen on the ceilings. Are these not the 153s in advertising livery?

With Northern supposedly changing the seats in their 158s, could some of the original 158 seats taken out be used by GWR to get rid of the Richmond seats on the 158s? I dont have a problem with these, but it would stop the inconsistency of 2 different types of seat in one unit. When the 158/9s were made up, why didn't they break up units with the same seats to add the carriage?

With the rumoured swap of 150209 for 150207 with Northern which has Chapman seats, will this refurbed into a standard GWR 150/2 interior with 2x2 seating and tables? these are far nicer than 3x3 and stops having a 1 of unit of the subclass.

I doubt it. The DFT have refused requests to change from 2+3 to 2+2 seating.

 

[brel york]

If it happens we are refurbishing it to same finish as the other gwr angel 150/2

 

[SWR class 158]

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[PHILIPE]

Just was on a GWR class 158 that was still in local lines livery and unrefurbished inside.

There are still more GWR 158s in the local lines livery than in the GWR Livery.

 

[D2007wsm]

Just was on a GWR class 158 that was still in local lines livery and unrefurbished inside.

That's why I said 'which I've been refurbished. I still haven't got on a green 158, when I have caught the train and one turned up it has been blue. Still haven't been put for one yet and a 166 has turned up.

 

[Parallel]

I noticed that unrefurbished 158958 was running around with just two coaches yesterday - it was on 16.40 Gloucester - Weymouth with a 150. Has the third coach come off for an exam or to be refurbished?

 

[Apedlar12]

143617 has just ran ECS from Laira to Exeter TMD from where it was having it's C6 overhaul so a refurbished pacer for GWR will be around from tomorrow

 

[PHILIPE]

143617 has just ran ECS from Laira to Exeter TMD from where it was having it's C6 overhaul so a refurbished pacer for GWR will be around from tomorrow

Only basic C6 done as due, no refurbishment

 

[Apedlar12]

Only basic C6 done as due, no refurbishment

Oh ok wasn't sure

 

[spark001uk]

Are the 150s likely the only units to receive power sockets? Or are there any plans for any of their (GWR's) other unit classes?

 

[Nammer]

158961 has been fitted with plug sockets and USB points

 

[Apedlar12]

143603 ran down ECS on Sunday to Laira replacing 143617 which has returned back to Exeter and is in service again (was with 143619 yesterday). So I suspect 603 will be receiving a C6 overhaul now as well; however as only 143617/8/9 are franchise assets 603 may not get as much work done to it than 617 received

 

[superalbs]

143603 ran down ECS on Sunday to Laira replacing 143617 which has returned back to Exeter and is in service again (was with 143619 yesterday). So I suspect 603 will be receiving a C6 overhaul now as well; however as only 143617/8/9 are franchise assets 603 may not get as much work done to it than 617 received

617 didn't have a lot done to it lol.

 

[Mitchell Hurd]

I know exactly the reason behind only one Turbo being refurbished inside and out - it may take a while to explain though as I spoke to a GWR Customer Panel member around 2 or 3 days ago, explaining my concerns about the reliability of their services and talking about the refurbishment.

The person I spoke to was very understanding and helpful ! There's a good explanation as to why GWR are going about the refurbishment correctly and sensibly rather than rushing it...

Say you put a refurbished Turbo (more or all) on a Thames Valley route whilst 387's were on that route (I think this was said to me - similar anyway) a customer may say something like "Oh yes this nice . You've made it feel like a new train !" Then perhaps 6 months later, that same customer or customers will be on the same train (or amongst the same few) down in Bristol. Then they might say something like "Hang on. This is what I had 6 months ago!" and give negative feedback on the refurbished train.

So basically, GWR want the refurbished Turbos in Wiltshire / Bristol area to be feeling like new trains for passengers and as clean as possible and not have any litter / have hardly any left lying around.

Hope this makes sense.

 

[pompeyfan]

Surely then if that’s the case they should have trained staff up for them and then only introduced them after their refurbishment, otherwise they’re just ‘London’s old tat’ which is surely going to upset them more

 

[D2007wsm]

Surely then if that’s the case they should have trained staff up for them and then only introduced them after their refurbishment, otherwise they’re just ‘London’s old tat’ which is surely going to upset them more

Exactly, they should have been tackled first and are the poor relation at the moment to the GWR 150/2s. However, they are still better than some of the 150/1s they replaced.

Each time I have got on one of these, which was previously a 150/1 apart from one night 2 x 153, I have managed to sit in one of the declassified First Class sections which has been nearly empty and tatty. With these swapping between Bristol and Reading, if one of these turned up with First Class in force and I had a First Class ticket I wouldn't be happy.

Whilst most of the 166s I've seen round Bristol has been GWR green, I did actually see a FGW blue one the other night at Worle heading towards Bristol. The site of FGW blue and Dynamic Lines is decreasing around here now, apart from the HSTs, 150/1s and 158s.

 

[jimm]

Surely then if that’s the case they should have trained staff up for them and then only introduced them after their refurbishment, otherwise they’re just ‘London’s old tat’ which is surely going to upset them more

And keep the 150/1s in use even longer? I'm sure that idea would have gone down well with GWR passengers and Northern alike. Not.

I doubt passengers around Bristol who now have a better chance of getting a seat on their commute care over-much about what colour the seating material and interior trim are.

With the Turbos gradually going through Wolverton to have disabled toilets fitted and get a coat of paint, while keeping services going out of Paddington until the 387s took over, there simply wasn't the time to start doing work on all the interiors as well.

If they had rushed to do them using the same seating material tried out on the 166 that was given a makeover, there would be an awful lot of tatty-looking seats out there now, as it wasn't up to the job.

 

[Apedlar12]

And keep the 150/1s in use even longer? I'm sure that idea would have gone down well with GWR passengers and Northern alike. Not.

I doubt passengers around Bristol who now have a better chance of getting a seat on their commute care over-much about what colour the seating material and interior trim are.

With the Turbos gradually going through Wolverton to have disabled toilets fitted and get a coat of paint, while keeping services going out of Paddington until the 387s took over, there simply wasn't the time to start doing work on all the interiors as well.

If they had rushed to do them using the same seating material tried out on the 166 that was given a makeover, there would be an awful lot of tatty-looking seats out there now, as it wasn't up to the job.

166202 and 166203 are the 2 166s in the Bristol area in the Dynamic lines livery at present and 166205 is the one with the refurbished interior

 

[59CosG95]

Not so much a livery update as such, but this should be of interest for any future GWR DMU allocations... https://www.globalrailnews.com/2018/01/22/hochtief-to-build-new-gwr-depot-in-exeter/

 

[D2007wsm]

And keep the 150/1s in use even longer? I'm sure that idea would have gone down well with GWR passengers and Northern alike. Not.

I doubt passengers around Bristol who now have a better chance of getting a seat on their commute care over-much about what colour the seating material and interior trim are.

With the Turbos gradually going through Wolverton to have disabled toilets fitted and get a coat of paint, while keeping services going out of Paddington until the 387s took over, there simply wasn't the time to start doing work on all the interiors as well.

If they had rushed to do them using the same seating material tried out on the 166 that was given a makeover, there would be an awful lot of tatty-looking seats out there now, as it wasn't up to the job.

It's simple use whatever was used on the seats on the 150s and 158s on the seats, that seems to be wearing OK and up to the job.

 

[jimm]

I expect they will when they get the time (there are 57 sets to get through) - along with other work on the interiors, once the details are all settled, as Mitchell Hurd noted above.

 

[cactustwirly]

Exactly, they should have been tackled first and are the poor relation at the moment to the GWR 150/2s. However, they are still better than some of the 150/1s they replaced.

Each time I have got on one of these, which was previously a 150/1 apart from one night 2 x 153, I have managed to sit in one of the declassified First Class sections which has been nearly empty and tatty. With these swapping between Bristol and Reading, if one of these turned up with First Class in force and I had a First Class ticket I wouldn't be happy.

Whilst most of the 166s I've seen round Bristol has been GWR green, I did actually see a FGW blue one the other night at Worle heading towards Bristol. The site of FGW blue and Dynamic Lines is decreasing around here now, apart from the HSTs, 150/1s and 158s.

You haven't seen the 165s yet, they are worse!

 

[Apedlar12]

Not so much a livery update as such, but this should be of interest for any future GWR DMU allocations... https://www.globalrailnews.com/2018/01/22/hochtief-to-build-new-gwr-depot-in-exeter/

Whilst this is happening, where will all the units that are currently stored at Exeter TMD at night go? Would there still be space... Also with the 158s due soon (once they have all had a repaint to the GWR livery) it obviously allows them more space

 

[59CosG95]

Whilst this is happening, where will all the units that are currently stored at Exeter TMD at night go? Would there still be space... Also with the 158s due soon (once they have all had a repaint to the GWR livery) it obviously allows them more space

Laira most likely, given that there are less HSTs to be stored there...

 

[3973EXL]

5V65 Wolverton Reading today - 2 x 2 car 165's in green.

 

[LiftFan]

All this moving about seems to be causing lots of problems at Paddington with problems to the overhead lines. The peak time 8 carriage electrostar services have been reduced to 2 carriage turbos!

 

[FGW_DID]

5V65 Wolverton Reading today - 2 x 2 car 165's in green.

165119 & 165121

165122 & 165123 went to Wolverton earlier this morning.

 

[DylanThomas]

All this moving about seems to be causing lots of problems at Paddington with problems to the overhead lines. The peak time 8 carriage electrostar services have been reduced to 2 carriage turbos!

There's been a problem with the electric in the bay platform at Hayes for the 8 car shuttle. Been replaced by a Turbo for most of the week