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steverailer

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And we are not exactly happy with working ALO now either from what I can gather.

Speaking as someone who does this regularly I have no real issue with it, what is the issue now? The H&S bosses seam to though, but then again they are the ones who pick on no glasses or gloves :roll::roll:

TBH we're now getting to the point where H&S is becoming dangerous. Picking people up on very minor things gets them and their bosses paranoid. Nobody goes out to do anything in an unsafe manner now days, but they are taking things too far.

Couple of examples:
HOPS train stopped on 2 consecutive days over Xmas due to no safety chains around the crane slew area. They haven't been there since it started so why pick on the Xmas block to stop it?
Absolutely no climbing on or out of MEWP baskets onto structures to aid installation of parts that can't be reached by the basket. These are operated by skilled guys who have been trained to climb out, wear the correct harnesses and safety lines and are clipped on correctly. Add to that that they have been doing this for years elsewhere.

Its now got to the point that if one person in a million does something wrong the other 999,999 are all tarred with the same brush.
 

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That isn't what many bodies involved with protection of the countryside say. NR are well aware they are open to legal challenge on this, this potentially would stop any work taking place in the affected area, which is why they are changing the design.

Nevertheless, it seems poor practice from an engineering point of view not to take visual intrusion into consideration in sensitive areas.

This further adds to the mismanagement of the project as a whole, with many basic errors being made. From locations of buried signalling cables (a well known BR WR practice) to poor design on the electrification factory train.

It is debatable if NR was a self funded private company, not backed by the tax payer, whether these errors would have been made.

No doubt this will form part of the current review into the structure of Network rail.
Most of the records on cable locations disappeared during Railtrack's time, either destroyed by them or passed to contractors that took over various roles done in house by BR, who then destroyed them. Hmm, don't think the private sector has a great record on preserving records....
 

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I could have sworn there was a video on YouTube which shows a headspan assembly being fitted in between trains too, but I've not been able to find it in recent years.

Philip - there is. I found it under the channel 4 Equinox documentary "Running to Time"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvsIYaRmRAM

Suggest you start viewing around 24:00 - 27:00

I still watch this about once every 6 months. I remember it like it was yesterday - very balanced and informative. :D
 

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People don't believe me when I tell them what it was really like, when they're asking why the current schemes are slower and more expensive than the ECML.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/60539035@N02/17039160120

The chaps I know who did this all along the ECML tell me it was a little hairy, especially when the occasional driver forgot about the speed restriction to protect the workforce and went through at 125mph.
 

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Actually Tim the cable records are available, it takes people to ask for them but drawings aren't the complete answer. The cables were installed at 7' 6" from the face of the cess rail which is fine until the rail gets moved, lifted, dropped or removed, in which case the drawings are inaccurate. There are very few staff left who have experience of working on those cables and their knowledge is invaluable, the WEA has taken note of this and have appointed one of the most experienced to understand the issues experienced in other GW areas and to put controls in place to prevent a reoccurance happening. Fingers crossed it works.
 

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35376805

Great Western Railway electrification 'four years late'

The electrification of some routes across the south of England is running four years late, Network Rail said.

The rail operator, which has estimated its project could cost £2.8bn, is carrying out the work on the Great Western railway line.

It was originally due to be finished by 2018, with most diesel trains replaced.

However, some routes due to be completed before then will not be ready until 2020, resulting in new trains sitting in sidings.

Under the original plan Reading to Didcot should have already been completed, with Oxford and Bristol next in 2016.

But because work has fallen behind, Didcot is expected to be two year's late in 2017, and Newbury and Oxford three year's late in 2018 and 2019, respectively.

Bristol will not see electric trains until 2020, and the East West rail link from Oxford to Bletchley is delayed until the early 2020s.
'Dreadful' news

Julian Burnell, from Network Rail, called it a "very large and complicated project which involves a vast number of variables across a very large area of the country".

He added: "We're in a much better position to define exactly when we'll be able to complete the work."

Dan Panes, from Great Western Railway, said: "It's not good news today but what we've got to do is make sure that we deliver those improvements."

Christopher Irwin, from passenger Group TravelWatch Southwest, said the news was "dreadful".

He added: "We've got to have trains - electric, diesel, or whatever. We need more trains and more seats."

Network Rail's chief executive Mark Carne told MPs in October the estimate for the project had been £874m in January 2013 and £1.5bn in September 2014.

He said because of "inadequate planning" it could now reach £2.8bn.
 

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Out on the ground, more overhead cabling has been installed over the relief lines in the direction of Tilehurst, extending the initial section running east from Pangbourne.
 

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Out on the ground, more overhead cabling has been installed over the relief lines in the direction of Tilehurst, extending the initial section running east from Pangbourne.

The indicative dates are really based on worst case scenario so there's not more bad news, they use a lot of historical work rates and work around the already existent delays.

Things have been going better recently with HOPS doing around or just better than its business case rate of piling and wiring (which is what the original dates were based on) but delays now exist and trying to stop them snowballing is difficult.

Also, it's worth remembering that some of these dates are dragged out to the timetable changes in each December, the infrastructure could be ready for use well before those dates but it may be too short notice to get driver training done and the trains into service.
 

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Will those bases fit in when the line is quadrupled?

Doubtful, but it would depend on how the additional tracks are laid out when they're installed. There's a number of overbridges which have also been rebuilt and would need to again be rebuilt if the additional pair of tracks are run one either side of the current pair of tracks.

It may be the case that running an additional pair of tracks left or right of the current alignment and incorporating recently rebuilt bridges into the design (to avoid further rebuilding) would be the way four tracking is carried out. If that's the case, the existing portals could remain unchanged, and a second twin track portal installed on the new pair of tracks.
 
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I've got no idea what they're called but trackside cable supports have been put in beneath the mainline platforms at Cardiff Central, similar to those seen on LU. This seems very early considering the huge slip in the electrification scheme. Can't imagine what else they'd be for though.
 

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I've got no idea what they're called but trackside cable supports have been put in beneath the mainline platforms at Cardiff Central, similar to those seen on LU. This seems very early considering the huge slip in the electrification scheme. Can't imagine what else they'd be for though.

New signal cabling maybe?
 

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I've got no idea what they're called but trackside cable supports have been put in beneath the mainline platforms at Cardiff Central, similar to those seen on LU. This seems very early considering the huge slip in the electrification scheme. Can't imagine what else they'd be for though.

Presumably to carry cables for the Cardiff Central and West of Cardiff resignalling - the next phase of the overall South Wales resignalling project - to install immunised signalling ahead of the electrification. Due for completion for January 2017, probably with a Christmas and New Year blockade.
 
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This is the view from the new Uffington bridge.
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I've just downloaded, and been reading through, the "Hendy Report Enhancement Delivery Plan Update" dated January 2016, which is available at Network Rail's website.

I can see no mention of Wootton Bassett Junction to Bristol Temple Meads electrification via Bath (only via Bristol Parkway). Have I missed it, or is there an omission; or worse still, an unannounced cancellation?
 

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I've just downloaded, and been reading through, the "Hendy Report Enhancement Delivery Plan Update" dated January 2016, which is available at Network Rail's website.

I can see no mention of Wootton Bassett Junction to Bristol Temple Meads electrification via Bath (only via Bristol Parkway). Have I missed it, or is there an omission; or worse still, an unannounced cancellation?

Isn't it listed as Filton Bank?

For example bottom right page 90?

Whereas the capacity improvements are listed as Dr Days Junction to Filton Abbey Wood.
 
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I don't see any view - does anyone else? Perhaps the poster could repost?

I don't see anything. If you click on the Quote button for his post you can see tht he's tried to enclose something between [ IMG] and [ /IMG] markers.
 

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Isn't it listed as Filton Bank?

For example bottom right page 90?

Whereas the capacity improvements are listed as Dr Days Junction to Filton Abbey Wood.

I've had another look and to my relief it IS still there, under Wootton Bassett Junction to Bristol Temple Meads (not "Filton Bank" which is the line between Bristol TM & Bristol Parkway/Cardiff).

The line via Bath is down as having a "start on site" date of April 2016; start of testing electric trains on part of it February 2019; "authorised passenger use" February 2019 - April 2020; "first timetabled use of the new infrastructure" Control Period 6.

I thought for a moment that via Bath had been put in the too-difficult box; glad it hasn't!
 
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I don't see anything. If you click on the Quote button for his post you can see tht he's tried to enclose something between [ IMG] and [ /IMG] markers.

Pasting the link into a browser results in a request for a Dropbox log in. Presumably the earlier poster hasn't made his pictures public.
 

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I've had another look and to my relief it IS still there, under Wootton Bassett Junction to Bristol Temple Meads (not "Filton Bank" which is the line between Bristol TM & Bristol Parkway/Cardiff).

The line via Bath is down as having a "start on site" date of April 2016; start of testing electric trains on part of it February 2019; "authorised passenger use" February 2019 - April 2020; "first timetabled use of the new infrastructure" Control Period 6.

I thought for a moment that via Bath had been put in the too-difficult box; glad it hasn't!

Other than Marlow, has anything else been put in there?
 

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Pasting the link into a browser results in a request for a Dropbox log in. Presumably the earlier poster hasn't made his pictures public.

Yes that's what I got. I am a member too. You must be right. Hopefully he will pick this thread up and make the photo available.

Incidentally,Mcafee tells me that Dropbox is a dodgy website (not for the first time I might add).
 
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