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Great Northern Fleet - 379s introduction

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The next move will be on Monday, 2 units to Hornsey and 2 units back to Worksop. https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K09216/2024-05-27/detailed

Realtime Trains | 5Q78 1348 Hornsey E.M.U.D. to Worksop Up Receptions | 27/05/2024

Real-time train running information for 5Q78 1348 departure from Hornsey E.M.U.D. to Worksop Up Receptions on 27/05/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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why are they sending units back?!
 
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Nicholas Lewis said:
So why drag them South and then send them back again. Seems like they are they on sale or return!!
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Appears like they are inspecting all the units at Hornsey, likely due to the reports of rust or heavier maintenance required before they are able to enter service for training etc
 
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OneOfThe48 said:
Appears like they are inspecting all the units at Hornsey, likely due to the reports of rust or heavier maintenance required before they are able to enter service for training etc
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So if some are moving to Worksop, is this where the rust treatment or maintenance will be done, or is it just a holding location and need to be moved twice more, once to maintenance location, and second to GTR territory.

I might be missing something, but if only going for inspection, is it not easier to take a car full of inspectors to the train, rather than move train to inspectors and back again.
 
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Is the plan to still have the 379s in service with GN from December? The way things are going regarding unit condition it's looking less likely this can be achieved.
 
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Snow1964 said:
So if some are moving to Worksop, is this where the rust treatment or maintenance will be done, or is it just a holding location and need to be moved twice more, once to maintenance location, and second to GTR territory.

I might be missing something, but if only going for inspection, is it not easier to take a car full of inspectors to the train, rather than move train to inspectors and back again.
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No.
Inspection, assessment.
It's not easier to take "a car full of engineers". They need their kit and equipment.
brad465 said:
Is the plan to still have the 379s in service with GN from December? The way things are going regarding unit condition it's looking less likely this can be achieved.
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Some of the 379s in service if accepted.
 
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03_179 said:
No.
Inspection, assessment.
It's not easier to take "a car full of engineers". They need their kit and equipment.
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Not to mention they will have all the other units (717, 387) at Hornsey to busy themselves with as well.

Hornsey only being so big means that many units that are ready will have to be parked up somewhere. Might as well go back with the otherwise light loco ?.

But I suspect Worksop or where ever the leasing company prefers will eventually be contracted by the leasing company to do any rectification work. Not the business of a running depot like Hornsey ?.
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Some of the 379s in service if accepted.
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I suppose it is likely that the 379s in better condition will get into service first ?.
 
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One must hope that not all the seats are covered in mould!

Hopefully some of the units will require relatively little work, and any cascades could be done gradually once the driver training process is underway. It wouldn't need a wait for a timetable change as surely they're (more or less) interchangeable and the timings will be the same?
 
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jon0844 said:
One must hope that not all the seats are covered in mould!

Hopefully some of the units will require relatively little work, and any cascades could be done gradually once the driver training process is underway. It wouldn't need a wait for a timetable change as surely they're (more or less) interchangeable and the timings will be the same?
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There are enough diagrams in the June timetable that runs as pairs all day. I haven’t looked to see whether they’ve actually done this in a way which balances things were some of them to change to 379s, but I’d imagine it wouldn’t be too difficult to achieve with a small number of tweaks at the most.

GTR have plenty of experience of doing this with the various stock changes over the years, and to be fair it’s one thing they’ve generally done very seamlessly.

So we just need a few trains that aren’t mouldy!
 
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bramling said:
There are enough diagrams in the June timetable that runs as pairs all day. I haven’t looked to see whether they’ve actually done this in a way which balances things were some of them to change to 379s, but I’d imagine it wouldn’t be too difficult to achieve with a small number of tweaks at the most.

GTR have plenty of experience of doing this with the various stock changes over the years, and to be fair it’s one thing they’ve generally done very seamlessly.

So we just need a few trains that aren’t mouldy!
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I agree that GN have done stock changes very well in the past, but there are differences now that make it more of a challenge.

For the units, devising separate cycles for class 379/387 that get enough units of both types back to Hornsey for maintenance will be difficult There are fewer diagrams doing ecs moves on and off Hornsey between the peaks than in the past, and some are portions of 12 car trains dividing/joining at Kings Cross.

Trains booked for class 379s will need traincrew passed out on class 379s to drive them. That could be an issue, especially having trained drivers at all of the relevant depots for diagrams that combine the fast Fenland services with the stoppers.
 
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Magdalia said:
I agree that GN have done stock changes very well in the past, but there are differences now that make it more of a challenge.

For the units, devising separate cycles for class 379/387 that get enough units of both types back to Hornsey for maintenance will be difficult There are fewer diagrams doing ecs moves on and off Hornsey between the peaks than in the past, and some are portions of 12 car trains dividing/joining at Kings Cross.

Trains booked for class 379s will need traincrew passed out on class 379s to drive them. That could be an issue, especially having trained drivers at all of the relevant depots for diagrams that combine the fast Fenland services with the stoppers.
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I guess one way to achieve it might be to put 8/379 on the Peterborough peak service which is being restored next month, which would then release 8/700. That either restores 700/0 utilisation to the current timetable levels, or allows 8/700 to replace 8/387 somewhere.

One wonders whether it might be worth a very small bet that the first GN 379 use will be on the Peterborough route?
 
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Is the plan to still have the 379s in service with GN from December? The way things are going regarding unit condition it's looking less likely this can be achieved.
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No. The working plan is to have a few in service for peak diagrams. KGX-PBO.

The units need a deep clean inside and some modification works. Outside... well thats down to Fleet to decide.
I've no idea where work is being carried out but that will be down to the ROSCO.
 
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I can imagine that there will e a few spare units while the transition goes on. So some of the clever splitting and joining might not need to happen if there are spare units to fill the gaps.
 
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Peter Sarf said:
I can imagine that there will e a few spare units while the transition goes on. So some of the clever splitting and joining might not need to happen if there are spare units to fill the gaps.
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I imagine they'll be set-sets for a while until the squadron is in.
 
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I see at Welwyn Garden City (Platform 3) - The 379 stickers are appearing. You may note 379 / 387 on things like stopping points and ramps.
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One would have thought that a brief would be sufficient for the Class 379s rather than changing all the stop boards?
 
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03_179 said:
No.
Inspection, assessment.
It's not easier to take "a car full of engineers". They need their kit and equipment.

Some of the 379s in service if accepted.
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Presumably then any unit cascade of 387s, etc. will not happen until next year if most of the 379s are not in service in December.
 
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brad465 said:
Presumably then any unit cascade of 387s, etc. will not happen until next year if most of the 379s are not in service in December.
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Im sure some will come down. Maybe the cascade of 377s to SE will be held up. An increase in service on southern is still on the cards in December
 
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Are these been refurbished or at least refreshed before returning to service or at least replacing all the broken buttons?
 
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