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notadriver
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I have probably got this wrong and if so I apologise James 66526 but all your posts suggest you are aspiring to be a train driver and are not one yet.
ralphchadkirk
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I will guarantee that James is a driver, from posts on other forums, and word of mouth (yes James, news got around!!). I believe it was also reported on the news.
notadriver
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My mistake then. You were on the news?
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news..._s_son_starts_train_driver_training_1_2294660
Theres the link to one of the news sites.
Theres the link to one of the news sites.
notadriver
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Got it. You're a tube driver right ?
Brother James I don't think their is a railway person on this forum who has anything other than contempt for what Hart did to your father and the other people who sadly lost their lives.
As for those people on here who are trying to play devils advocate and defend his actions on the day and since should take a long hard look at the facts again, he was found guilty in a court of law, it was proven his landrover was in good order( not the tyre blow out etc he blamed it on) and it was proven he drove a car without sufficient sleep. He has shown no remorse for his crime ( yes it was a crime) and his recent comments on the anniversary of the crash he caused just about sum him up as a horrid horrid man.
I know you can never forget what happened James and nor should you but I hope you can rise above him and certain other morons who choose to defend him.
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As for those people on here who are trying to play devils advocate and defend his actions on the day and since should take a long hard look at the facts again, he was found guilty in a court of law, it was proven his landrover was in good order( not the tyre blow out etc he blamed it on) and it was proven he drove a car without sufficient sleep. He has shown no remorse for his crime ( yes it was a crime) and his recent comments on the anniversary of the crash he caused just about sum him up as a horrid horrid man.
I know you can never forget what happened James and nor should you but I hope you can rise above him and certain other morons who choose to defend him.
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CarterUSM
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I second that!
I was certainly not defending Gary Hart's actions, sorry if you got the impression. I would also say that had the car driver invovled in Ufton Nervet survived then he should have been charged with murder. That day I was very lucky to have made the decision to get the 16:33 from Paddington and not the 17:33.
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Some Might Say
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What that man did was extremely selfish. At least he died in the accident.
It's one thing to jump in front of a train (I have synmpathies on both sides when this happens) But to commit suicide in the way that car driver did and take innocent peoples lives in the process is the sort of act you'd normally see commited by a terrorist. A disgusting act and I actually remember reading somewhere that he was 'fascinated' by a programme about Great Heck...
notadriver
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Are you planning to go mainline driving?
MidnightFlyer
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Will go along with that - if you want to kill yourself, go into a disused buidling and hang yourself, overdose on tablets, whatever, just don't take the lives of innocent others... Just Wikipedia'd the Aldermaston chef incident (that you refer to) - along with himself, he took the lives of the driver, a seven year old and five others. Sickening. terrorism? No, but very close from one perspective.
Agree with you 100%. Sorry I think my post came out a bit wrong. When I said terrorism I didn't mean that was the intended act but rather it was the sort of thing you'd expect them to do. Again, a tragic waste of life and pain and suffering for so many people. And again, it wasn't the fault of the railway.
Perhaps if they didn't make programmes about this, which are then edited in a certain way (but it's hard to say what since we know that they are edited but not how), then it might make things a lot easier and avoid stirring up ill feeling that has settled and been "put to bed". The BBC do seem to drag things up from the past to fill quiet slots. Perhaps this whole thread should be put to bed.
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I agree with you a further 100%. You cannot even begin to imagine what the driver must have thought as he approached, and to think that the chef did that because he wasn't bothered anymore, he took seven innocent lives, it's just horrific. Anyone who survives such events and is the cause of them should be put up for manslaugher of all killed. Saddening
At the risk of going slightly OT, are there any insurance folk about who can confirm that the idiocy of GH created the biggest motor insurance claim/payout in UK history? I recall reading some material after the incident suggesting that claims of £500M were being pursued. Sounds a tad fanciful until you start totting it up, item by item. Depending on how far you go down the chain, plus that tricky problem of estimating the cash value of hman life, you can get some or most of the way towards that number. Anyone got any hard data?
I heard something like that being mentioned, IIRC it was about £50 million and the sickener is that a lot of it went to GNER and Railtrack (as was) rather than the victims.
I think it was 40 million in the end. Imagine declaring that when you're searching for a policy!... Mind you he'll have ten years no claims now...
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And Freightliner. Thing is when you start totting it all up it is a lot of money. apart from anything else, 66521 was one of the newest locos in the country (still had plastic covering on the secondmans seat!!) Then there's the infrastructure, peoples property (gardens have got to be done, caravans etc that have been destroyed), GNER rolling stock etc.
Haha it's funny you say that. When Dads loco overturned it ploughed into someones back garden. It went straight through a caravan, Dad hated them on the roads in the summer holding him up... Not only that but there was a tall conifer hedge to shield the view of the railway line from the people living in the house. He completely decimated that, our next door neighbours at the time had a conifer hedge that blocked out the sun in our garden...
'If I'm going then I'm taking them buggers with me...'
'If I'm going then I'm taking them buggers with me...'
David Dunning
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I dont think you can accuse the BBC of dragging this one up to fill a quiet day. A tenth anniversary of an event like this is pretty significant.
I think those involved, by and large. would have been surprised if the newspapers and the broadcasters had regarded it all as settled.
At the time many people involved felt a real need to talk about their experiences , even turning up at the office door to say "I was on the train , i need to talk about it"
For one thing it doesnt hurt to remind people that those signs on the motorway about tiredness and taking a break are there for a good reason.
And James it's good to see that you are doing so well in your career on the railways. best of luck in the future.
It's a shame they're only ever put just before a service station, and indeed only usually on motorways. If someone is really that tired and NOT near a service station, they should pull off and park up somewhere safe.
I did that once coming back from somewhere in the southwest years ago (before this incident). I felt myself struggling to keep my eyes open so I pulled off the motorway, drove to anywhere I could find a place to park and fell asleep for about 45-60 minutes. Maybe that saved my life, and others too.
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