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Great Carrier Bag Heist

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I couldn't help noticing when in the Tesco Express near Cardiff Central still has the stickers on the self service tills promoting green club card points for reusing bags.

How long has it been since Wales got rid of free carrier bags?

I wouldn't mind paying if the bags were any good and lasted more than 5 minutes.
 
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On visiting my local Morrisons last week they were offering the 'bag for life' for half price at the tills. The cashier explained that it was to raise awareness that they would start charging for all bags from October.
 

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I can remember a few years ago Sainsburys & Tesco doing free bags for life days where they would give you free bags for life instead of regular carrier bags.
 

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When I was down in England at Christmas all my relatives thought I was nutty as I kept proffering cash for carrier bags.

It's amazing how quickly you get used to paying - and forgetting to bring bags with you. :p
 

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I've pretty much stopped using bags for life when I go shopping now so I can stock up for when the charges start. Noticed though a lot of bags getting holes in them much more than they used to!
 

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When I was down in England at Christmas all my relatives thought I was nutty as I kept proffering cash for carrier bags.

It's amazing how quickly you get used to paying - and forgetting to bring bags with you. :p

i am thinking of starting a smuggling ring for contraband plastic bags. I reckon i could shift container loads north of the border and sell them on the black market. ;)
 

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I've pretty much stopped using bags for life when I go shopping now so I can stock up for when the charges start. Noticed though a lot of bags getting holes in them much more than they used to!

Just as I won't pay £100+ for a Travelodge (city centre weekday prices) and would rather pay £150+ for a proper hotel, I won't pay 5p for a useless, weak bag, but will continue to pay 10p+ for a bag for life. So no change for me.

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Just as I won't pay £100+ for a Travelodge (city centre weekday prices) and would rather pay £150+ for a proper hotel, I won't pay 5p for a useless, weak bag, but will continue to pay 10p+ for a bag for life. So no change for me.

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If you're still paying for bags for life then either you're very long lived or the bags themselves are a serious misnomer...
 

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If you're still paying for bags for life then either you're very long lived or the bags themselves are a serious misnomer...

They're bags for life (i.e. free replacement) when used as shopping bags. I think I'd be onto a loser if I went back with one for free replacement having damaged it to carry heavy books to the charity shop, or carrying building waste to the tip.

I find they are very useful for purposes *other* than supermarket shopping, so much so that I tend to get new ones each time (usually one, or two at most, as I have big shops delivered).

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My last part-time student involved working on the tills and self service checkouts at one of the big supermarket chains (in England so the bags were free). I was shocked at how many bags some people used, with policy that you have to ask the customer if they wanted bags on manned tills. This would all too regularly provoke a sarcastic response. I heard mixed opinions about charging, but I think it makes sense economically and environmentally.

The chain I worked definitely reduced the quality of the bags as they are a major overhead. Bags for life, if you can remember to bring them, are much better. Most supermarkets will replace them for free, so your 10p can theoretically buy you a lot of bags!

In Germany, it's very much the exception to the rule if a bag is free (except clothes stores e.t.c) and thin flimsy throw away bags are not seen very often. I don't think there's any Government legislation, it's just done for the environment and to keep prices down in shops.
 
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The one annoyance in all this is that when they are chargeable you have to decide how many bags you use before you actually know. Wouldn't it be better if the supermarket checkout asked that question at the end?

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I hope supermarkets sort out packaging before charging for plastic bags!

Not exactly great when you have no choice but to buy a bag because something you are buying isn't packaged securely and will end up everywhere otherwise (the sandwich filling packs you can get in supermarkets are a good example of that, if I don't wrap them in a carrier bag before putting one in my rucksack that I use for food shopping, when I get home the filling will be all over the rucksack and the rest of my shopping.

It hasn't happened in Wales though so I am not hopeful.
 

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"Discarded plastic bags are a very visible form of littering and can cause injury to marine wildlife. The effect of plastic bags on the environment goes beyond littering. They consume resources, including oil, in their creation. Even when disposed of responsibly, plastic bags can last for long periods of time in landfill sites."

Looks like a pretty good reason the introduce some 'encouragement' to make the public and business behave a bit less selfishly.

Tax is seemingly always the answer; the Government's role is to tell us what the question was.
 

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Just as I won't pay £100+ for a Travelodge (city centre weekday prices) and would rather pay £150+ for a proper hotel, I won't pay 5p for a useless, weak bag, but will continue to pay 10p+ for a bag for life. So no change for me.

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I'm actually surprised that most supermarkets have the audacity to charge 5p for the flimsy bits of plastic they claim are carrier bags (I'm looking at you Tesco). By comparison, Sainsburys have withdrawn all of their flimsy Orange bags. The 5p bags they sell are perfectly reusable.

It strikes me that this was what should have happened - you should only be sold bags that have the realistic potential to be reusable. And like yourself I'd completely refuse to pay 5p for the flimsy ones, but am more than happy to pay 5p or up for something of reasonable quality.

I like this new law. I've noticed a huge reduction in discarded carrier bags in the street since it came into force, and a huge increase in people using their own bags. I used to work on a supermarket checkout and thinking back the number of bags we'd gobtheough was actually quite shocking. Particularly since there was only about a 50% chance of them survive the journey in one piece.

There are some scenarios when buying a bag seems a bit weird, though. For example, I just purchased a suit and it feels ridiculous to spend 5p for a carrier after spending £190 on the suit. Like I'm seriously going to carry it into the train draped over my arm! Similarly, I got a chinese a few weeks ago and it seemed rather odd that they were charging. Am I really going to carry plastic boxes of rice and curry home without a bag?
 

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Why should I pay for a carrier bag though? Surely being able to carry my fish and chips and can of pop in a carrier bag without being charged is a human right as otherwise I might injure myself...
 

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Why should I pay for a carrier bag though? Surely being able to carry my fish and chips and can of pop in a carrier bag ...
This is why our plastic bag legislation in South Australia exempts takeaway food retailers from the ban on non-recyclable plastic bags, provided they use the biodegradable bags.

Most places have switched to paper bags anyway, which is an even better result.
 

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I'm actually surprised that most supermarkets have the audacity to charge 5p for the flimsy bits of plastic they claim are carrier bags (I'm looking at you Tesco). By comparison, Sainsburys have withdrawn all of their flimsy Orange bags. The 5p bags they sell are perfectly reusable.

It strikes me that this was what should have happened - you should only be sold bags that have the realistic potential to be reusable. And like yourself I'd completely refuse to pay 5p for the flimsy ones, but am more than happy to pay 5p or up for something of reasonable quality.

I like this new law. I've noticed a huge reduction in discarded carrier bags in the street since it came into force, and a huge increase in people using their own bags. I used to work on a supermarket checkout and thinking back the number of bags we'd gobtheough was actually quite shocking. Particularly since there was only about a 50% chance of them survive the journey in one piece.

There are some scenarios when buying a bag seems a bit weird, though. For example, I just purchased a suit and it feels ridiculous to spend 5p for a carrier after spending £190 on the suit. Like I'm seriously going to carry it into the train draped over my arm! Similarly, I got a chinese a few weeks ago and it seemed rather odd that they were charging. Am I really going to carry plastic boxes of rice and curry home without a bag?

I bet the carrier bag manufacturers don't - when England goes chargeable their business will be decimated :p
 

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Realistically, until the supermarkets let me take the trolley to my front door, charging for carrier bags won't change anything apart from making my shop slightly more expensive. My shopping won't levitate it's way home, so I'm still going to need carrier bags, and I can't help but feel a bit diddled if Tesco decide to charge for their translucent ones - despite claiming that they're as strong as the old ones, they require double or triple bagging for anything like a 2L bottle of coke or similar.
 

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Why should I pay for a carrier bag though? Surely being able to carry my fish and chips and can of pop in a carrier bag without being charged is a human right as otherwise I might injure myself...

As I understand the proposed legislation, shops under a certain size will be exempt from the rule so your fish and chips may yet be safe.
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Realistically, until the supermarkets let me take the trolley to my front door, charging for carrier bags won't change anything apart from making my shop slightly more expensive. My shopping won't levitate it's way home, so I'm still going to need carrier bags, and I can't help but feel a bit diddled if Tesco decide to charge for their translucent ones - despite claiming that they're as strong as the old ones, they require double or triple bagging for anything like a 2L bottle of coke or similar.

I'd be happier if the supermarkets used more recyclable packaging. The try to encourage us to use the bag for life approach but still pack a lot of their stuff in non recyclable packaging.
 

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Why should I pay for a carrier bag though? Surely being able to carry my fish and chips and can of pop in a carrier bag without being charged is a human right as otherwise I might injure myself...

You could take a canvas bag and carry them in that. Or just pay 5p, which is nowt compared with the cost of a takeaway.

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Most places have switched to paper bags anyway, which is an even better result.

Perhaps curiously, the UK laws don't exempt paper bags.

Neil
 

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Realistically, until the supermarkets let me take the trolley to my front door, charging for carrier bags won't change anything apart from making my shop slightly more expensive. My shopping won't levitate it's way home, so I'm still going to need carrier bags, and I can't help but feel a bit diddled if Tesco decide to charge for their translucent ones - despite claiming that they're as strong as the old ones, they require double or triple bagging for anything like a 2L bottle of coke or similar.

I think that £1 for a trolley that you can take home with you is amazing value for money, and you still have the £1 in the slot ! ;)
 

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Perhaps curiously, the UK laws don't exempt paper bags.

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Yes, to my amazement when the clerk at a Maccy D in Cardiff spent ages fumbling for change for my tenner despite my meal only costing £4.98.

What was I supposed to do? Carry about four items of my food and drinks in my hands? Perhaps they would like to charge for the cardboard boxes next if you don't take 20 pieces of boiling hot chicken nuggets away in the palm of your hands? :roll:
 

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Yes, to my amazement when the clerk at a Maccy D in Cardiff spent ages fumbling for change for my tenner despite my meal only costing £4.98.

The sensible answer for that is for McD's to reduce their prices slightly, absorbing the charge for the bag to a more sensible sum, i.e. reducing the price of that meal to £4.94.

Or aren't they allowed to do that?

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What was I supposed to do? Carry about four items of my food and drinks in my hands? Perhaps they would like to charge for the cardboard boxes next if you don't take 20 pieces of boiling hot chicken nuggets away in the palm of your hands? :roll:

One thing they *could* do is follow their German branches and start serving drinks in reusable plastic cups if you are eating in.

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I thought the charge was supposed to be a "green" measure. Obviously I was mistaken.
 

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This thread has made me think about the impact which carrier-bag charging has had on my behaviour, and some other things:

For food shopping I think I was already very good at reusing bags. I would only take a single-use bag if I was buying something like raw meat or cleaning products which I didn't want to put in with the rest of my food. The bags I took for this would then be used as rubbish bags at home, so there'd be no net increase in plastic use compared to buying actual rubbish bags. The big downside I've found is that the clubcard/nectar points that were offered as a "carrot" to encourage bag re-use are no longer offered now that there's the "stick" of the 5p charge.

For non-food shopping I was not previously good at reusing bags - for some things I now am. However I'm still not good when buying certain things, as I don't want to risk putting them in a bag which has been used before and may be slightly dirty - so still sometimes find myself paying. I really should look for some machine-washable plain white cotton or linen carriers.

There can also be some individual cases where the charge increases the damage to the environment: As I work in the IT department of a (non-food) retailer, I spent some time in my local (Edinburgh) selling branch in the run-up to Christmas. One noticeable effect of charging for bags was that customers having paid 5p for a bag would ask for a large bag even if only buying something small, so that if they bought more elsewhere it wouldn't mean paying a second time. This means that extra plastic is being used for larger bags on the off-chance that they'll be needed, rather than only taking the size of bag that'll actually be used. Similarly I wonder if there'll be a long-term shift for certain heavy products (e.g. bottles of juice) towards them coming with extra packaging, carry handles, etc - which may result in a net increase in plastic used.

Overall though, I think the positive effects do outweigh the negative.
 

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When I were a lad... carrier bags didn't really exist. Mum shopped in the local shop (only one ASDA in town then which was miles away) and she took her leather shopping bag. Then, the shop started offering carrier bags but they always charged. It was only when supermarkets became more popular that we started seeing free bags.

Aldi and Lidl have always charged for their bags.

I support this law, I think we waste far too much plastic. Anything that reduces the amount of litter which kills wildlife is a good thing in my book.

It is not difficult to take bags with you but if you forget then you can buy proper bags for life for 10p which can be reused dozens of times.
 

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I haven't used supermarket carrier bags for years; I do a big shop every 2 - 3 weeks and use a fleet consisting of a couple of large holdalls, five insulated cool bags, two canvas bags and three very tough square format bags for life.

It can be quite fun getting all that in my rather small car, and incidentally I hardly ever use the car for anything other than these shopping trips...
 

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I couldn't help noticing in burger king outside Cardiff central, they have a piece of paper saying how much they raised by charging 5p for a paper bag... Most of the money raised was eaten up by 'compliance and admin costs'.

Nice little money maker, just claim the money as admin fees.

Still doesn't stop trains having empty bags left on.
 
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