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Just in from Grand Central:

"New rail service proposals for North Lincolnshire and Yorkshire"

Grand Union, a sister company to Grand Central Railway Company (Grand Central), has responded to a recent Office of Rail Regulation (ORR) request to advise ORR of any further service developments being considered that would use capacity on the East Coast Main Line (ECML).

Following successful launch of Grand Central’s services from Sunderland to London Kings Cross in December, further services between London Kings Cross and Sunderland are proposed, with some services also serving Middlesbrough and Thornaby.

In addition, a formal submission to the ORR to operate services between London Kings Cross and Bradford (via Pontefract and Halifax) is expected before the end of this month, along with services between Bradford/Huddersfield and London Euston on the West Coast Main Line (WCML).

Three further new service proposals are at a very early stage of evaluation and, as with previous Grand Central and Grand Union applications, they seek to restore direct links to sizeable populations by utilising the current infrastructure. These are:

1. Cleethorpes – London Kings Cross calling at: Grimsby Town, Habrough, Scunthorpe, Thorne South and Doncaster.

2. Scarborough – London Kings Cross calling at: Seamer, Malton, and York.

3. Huddersfield to London Kings Cross calling at: Mirfield, Wakefield
Kirkgate, Rotherham, Meadowhall, Sheffield, Worksop and Retford.

Ian Yeowart Managing Director of Grand Union states:
“The development of Grand Central’s Sunderland services has shown what a boost new direct inter-city links are for towns and cities long removed from the inter-city network. We plan to use our knowledge and experience to bring these new additional services into operation, where we can make a good economic case, and look forward to working with the many stakeholders who would benefit from them.”
 
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Before anyone starts asking about rolling stock, the plans are:

Bradford - HST/Class 180/New Build
Others - Class 180/New Build

Quite where they think they may get some HSTs from, I've no idea!
 

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3. Huddersfield to London Kings Cross calling at: Mirfield, Wakefield
Kirkgate, Rotherham, Meadowhall, Sheffield, Worksop and Retford.

This would be interesting, how do they expect the service to join the ECML at Retford? I though the line connecting it to the sheffield line had too tight a curve to be used?
 

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:D Great service proposals; but what about platfroming at KX? We've established that "Platform Y" should cover Hull Trains further service proposals, but if these get the go-ahead as well... well, there's gonna be congestion even with Platform Y!
 

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They will only get the go ahead if there is deemed to be platform capacity - the plans are with the ORR who may end up saying 'no space', especially with other TOCs also wanting extra capacity at KX.
 

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Yeah. I don't think there's much more space for expansion besides Platform Y, so I'd guess the only option would be to base crew in London to allow a quicker turn-around. Even then it'll be a tight fit.
 

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Old News to us! I dont think this is the 'Big Announcement' that Danny Dire was talking about in the other thread...
 

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Have you found out yet Sir Clag? I think the big thing possibly being planned at Kings X may well be double filling the platform, as both Hull Trains and Grand Central use short sets so possibly can both squeeze into one platform.
 

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That happens already!! In the morning, there is a HT service on top of the first one north in the platform. Also, we have come into KX and stopped at the far end due to an HT set already being at the stops.
 

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I think more 'planned' than the siggie thinking '**** I'm outta platforms'! Lol!
 

Sir_Clagalot

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Although it is probably planned, Im more inclined to agree with the latter part of the above post...:razz:
 

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I won't say the media are slow off the mark, but the BBC (Look North) and Scunthorpe Telegraph only reported this today....

http://*******.com/6q6cmo Scunthorpe Telegraph article.

Nothing on the BBC (Humber) site yet, but it was reported on Look North this afternoon.
 

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I know the pic on the site is a mock-up (I've seen the original somewher, in fact), but the 180 looks quite good in GC colours! Having read this again in light of recent NXEC proposals, I do hope GC get the 180s. Introducing new routes to the network such as these ones will work fantastically well, and open up links that NXEC won't really be doing, although they will help a little.
 

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A similar article appeared in the Grimsby Telegraph today, i'm impressed that for once the media found a very much suitable picture! :lol:

Hope this goes ahead - would be a great boost to the area :)
 

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They've done that at piccadilly before with a pacer and a pindo ;), both ways round :s

Last Friday when I was at Man Picc, there was a Voyager & Pendolino sharing a platform - I was quite surprised that they could both fit!
 

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I note that the comments have descended into a slanging match after only a dozen posts! Any plan to increase rail services from Lincs/Yorks/N East has to be good. After all, the S East has got HS1 recently...
 

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True, and the proposed new ECML timetable is a farce (in my opinion). Perhaps Grand Central can make some additional stops south of Doncaster to fill the gaps now ....
 

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Ha! I think NXEC might have something to say about that, just as GNER had something to say about GC stopping to pick up at York!! Ive not seen the new TT yet...
 
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