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Been confirmed multiple times by insiders the 442 replacement fleet are the 387/2 orders. We now even have a picture of this hence Temple's post still correct.
Yes, I know that. :roll:
Temple made reference to the Thameslink 387s which is not what the franchise agreement said, and he has respectfully acknowledged he misread it.
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Very unlikely, as you have to fit the 442s with the multiple working equipment to work with 67s from a cab not on the 67 itself which will be too costly and that's only part of the issues - what will likely happen is a few 442s will stay and be used on more Eastbourne/Hastings services.
Out of the entire 442 fleet, I would say about half would be scrapped with the other half kept in service.
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Hastings? Don't get my hopes up!
ushawk
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What would be good would be the 442s used on an actual fast service from each Coastway to London with a limited stopping pattern - something the East Coast line badly needs.....
Of course, it would never happen due to pathing issues.
Mutant Lemming
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Day Five : Outward - Got a lift in, had a seat journey took half the time.
return : train a few minutes late.
Conclusion - will stick with the car, saves so much more, guaranteed seat, half the journey time. The journey in by public transport added at least 30 minutes each way per day more than five hours over the week. Five hours at overtime rate means the car pays for itself.
return : train a few minutes late.
Conclusion - will stick with the car, saves so much more, guaranteed seat, half the journey time. The journey in by public transport added at least 30 minutes each way per day more than five hours over the week. Five hours at overtime rate means the car pays for itself.
It's good that the car is a viable alternative, as I tried to drive to Old Street many times and the times I was delayed heavily (as in 2 or 3 hours delayed) was far too common to make it viable.
Delays going in were predictable, but coming home was a total gamble. Most delays having no obvious cause, and there being limited diversions available. Sitting in solid traffic isn't fun even if you have a seat, air conditioning, a radio etc - as you're still having to concentrate on when you can move, as well as what other people do (like cutting in, changing lanes, turning without notice because they too are trying to avoid the congestion).
On a train, you can at least relax and read or play on your phone. Clearly being stuck in a tunnel would be torture for the latter.
In ten years, I never encountered massive disruption that stopped me getting home or work. Sure, if I was on a train that broke down or was stuck, then I was stuck - but otherwise it was a case of my 'plan b' route kicking in. Now FCC and GTR publish detailed guides to alternative routes during disruption.
Even when we slag off the railway for not providing information, it's still likely to be easier to find out what has happened and use your own knowledge to predict what is likely to happen going forward, than when you're stuck in total gridlock in London and haven't got a clue - while the radio is telling you to avoid the area!
So, good luck in the car!
Delays going in were predictable, but coming home was a total gamble. Most delays having no obvious cause, and there being limited diversions available. Sitting in solid traffic isn't fun even if you have a seat, air conditioning, a radio etc - as you're still having to concentrate on when you can move, as well as what other people do (like cutting in, changing lanes, turning without notice because they too are trying to avoid the congestion).
On a train, you can at least relax and read or play on your phone. Clearly being stuck in a tunnel would be torture for the latter.
In ten years, I never encountered massive disruption that stopped me getting home or work. Sure, if I was on a train that broke down or was stuck, then I was stuck - but otherwise it was a case of my 'plan b' route kicking in. Now FCC and GTR publish detailed guides to alternative routes during disruption.
Even when we slag off the railway for not providing information, it's still likely to be easier to find out what has happened and use your own knowledge to predict what is likely to happen going forward, than when you're stuck in total gridlock in London and haven't got a clue - while the radio is telling you to avoid the area!
So, good luck in the car!
Great northern trains in action
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_LkKMdWZY1A
Note one of the 313s has the FCC branding still visible though scrubbed off underneath the new logo whilst the removal of FCC on that coach has created quite an eyesore
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_LkKMdWZY1A
Note one of the 313s has the FCC branding still visible though scrubbed off underneath the new logo whilst the removal of FCC on that coach has created quite an eyesore
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AndyNLondon
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Surely the state of that 313 is from graffiti removal, rather than the FCC logos?
The logo really doesn't work on the old FCC livery. Govia no doubt designed the new logo for the new livery, which - now I've seen a few 365s with the logos on - look fantastic.
However, surely someone tested what the logo would look like on the existing livery, given these will remain for some time, and realised the issue - and considered having some sort of outline or white/lighter background to make it stand out.
Sure, that would have looked a bit odd, but at least you'd have seen it properly.
Personally, I'd have just used the white Great Northern text and not the logo itself at all - until such time that the old vinyls were removed and the new ones applied. It's also silly that it's not wide enough to fully over the old text, which is clearly visible given the text was stuck on to the livery and means the vinyl underneath hadn't faded/worn as much.
But, again, I have to say that on the new livery, the logo looks awesome.
However, surely someone tested what the logo would look like on the existing livery, given these will remain for some time, and realised the issue - and considered having some sort of outline or white/lighter background to make it stand out.
Sure, that would have looked a bit odd, but at least you'd have seen it properly.
Personally, I'd have just used the white Great Northern text and not the logo itself at all - until such time that the old vinyls were removed and the new ones applied. It's also silly that it's not wide enough to fully over the old text, which is clearly visible given the text was stuck on to the livery and means the vinyl underneath hadn't faded/worn as much.
But, again, I have to say that on the new livery, the logo looks awesome.
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Why would (or should) Network Rail fund a paint shop? Make land available maybe but fund it?
Simon
I can't work it out either.
Unless it's to get Network Rail to fund a paint shop that gets guaranteed work because Govia has to use it, as well as all new franchises/management contracts?
If so, why doesn't the DfT organise this?
Unless it's to get Network Rail to fund a paint shop that gets guaranteed work because Govia has to use it, as well as all new franchises/management contracts?
If so, why doesn't the DfT organise this?
The doors out of use stickers that I saw on couple of 317 units last week still have FCC branding on them. (the notices that everyone ignores, try to open the doors several times & wonder why the doors are not opening then have to run through the train to get off before the doors close)
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Something like that isn't likely to be a priority change and it's pointless throwing them away when they have the ones with FCC on them still.
I imagine they will be using the FCC ones until they run out.
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I have been using the car for the past couple of years instead of FCC. Average journey time 30 minutes whereby the absolute quickest time by public transport is 55 minutes - IF it all links up.
The occasional snarl ups and grid lock on the roads are more than matched by problems on the trains. I have a seat, I don't have to endure banal phone calls or people coughing the latest batch of flu germs all over me... but most importantly of all it has given me an additional 400 hours of my life or around 16 days over the past 2 years to do with what I want to do as opposed to being crammed like a moo-ing thing on a 319.
I suppose there is luck involved in being able to park at work and I do have to give the Thameslink route it's due as you can (nearly) always get home after a night out(though still standing room only on the 01:35 last Saturday night) but commuting on it is for 'normal' lemming kind and not for us mutants.
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Mutant Lemming
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You may be right - I may have dozed off like John Lennon did on the 26 all those years ago inspiring him to write 'Day in the Life' and imagined the various squawking into handsets on last week's journies.... and am not really interested in Mrs Jones chatting away about her Bert's lumbago. I suppose one persons banal is another's scintillating piece of gossip.
Fair shout - that's your choice and it works for you.
I would argue that for most GTR commuters, the balance of journey time + cost favours using GTR. Certainly if I tried to drive to work it would take at least an extra 30 mins each way and cost me at least an extra £5k a year before I'd accounted for a car. Plus it means I can make phone calls / check dodgy on line forums on the move.
Plus it means I can make phone calls / check dodgy on line forums on the move.
Until you hit Finchley Road
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Until you hit Finchley Road
Id be worried if you were on a GTR service and hit Finchley Road
Id be worried if you were on a GTR service and hit Finchley Road
The remains of the platforms are still there....
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Some interesting shots from Manheim - Germany - Yesterday
http://www.drehscheibe-online.de/foren/read.php?4,7186822
http://www.drehscheibe-online.de/foren/read.php?4,7186822
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Finally on its way back from Infotrans then.
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Seems GTR aren't too happy with the interior spec. of the 700s : "...interiors are not suitable for longer distance journeys."
http://issuu.com/mortons-digital/docs/renov14-issuu
Page 8 refers.
http://issuu.com/mortons-digital/docs/renov14-issuu
Page 8 refers.
Relevant bit from that article is that tables and seat back trays are considered a necessity for longer distance journeys and Govia are 'dismayed' at the lack of provision of these and that the contract with the DfT allows no change to the spec.
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That's actually original from comments in Today's Railway where the comments were less they weren't happy but more looking into it. Note that neither article mentions where this has actual come from at all.
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Finally we have officials with sense!
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