GOT CAUGHT USING 11-15 OYSTER. HELP!!

[najaB]

There are some ways where someone can effectively volunteer to get an EDBS. For example if you agreed to go on a Bank system for vaccinating children against whooping cough, then you would apply for EDBS and then withdraw your name from the Bank

Though, that would require the organisation to give the results of the check to the person, since they send the report to the requestor.

 

[Wolfie]

The point that is also being missed is that EDBS are role specific. So if you were handling controlled drugs (CDs) then EDBS is going to go through a very different path to someone in NHS Finance Graduate Management. I process EDBS and I would expect to see fraud related crime to feature for those handling Methadone.

(There are some ways where someone can effectively volunteer to get an EDBS. For example if you agreed to go on a Bank system for vaccinating children against whooping cough, then you would apply for EDBS and then withdraw your name from the Bank).

Incidentally there are other types of clearance which might become an issue later depending on career choice. Anything involving national security vetting for a start....

 

[island]

Though, that would require the organisation to give the results of the check to the person, since they send the report to the requestor.

DBS check certificates, of all levels, are sent to the subject of the check and are to be retained by them. (A notification of the result can also be sent to the requestor.)

 

[najaB]

DBS check certificates, of all levels, are sent to the subject of the check and are to be retained by them. (A notification of the result can also be sent to the requestor.)

Hmm... thanks for the correction. It's been a while since I had any involvement with this (which was only tangential at the time) but I thought that the subject of the check got a copy of the certificate but didn't get the details. Then again, we only did basic checks so there wouldn't have been many details in any case.

 

[Pushpit]

DBS check certificates, of all levels, are sent to the subject of the check and are to be retained by them. (A notification of the result can also be sent to the requestor.)

Indeed, so the applicant / student gets a big green piece of paper, we are told that the paperwork has been sent by DBS or Disclosure Scotland (it is more complex in NI and the Crown Dependencies) and then we expect someone to present it physically for checking. The paper has various design features on it to prevent forgery. We get to hear that DBS has closed the process, so I'm waiting to get the paperwork. I don't actually get direct advice from DBS normally, but very occasionally I would get a call or email from someone in DBS or a police force asking me to ensure the matter is fully checked, though more usually to clarify the job role scope. Obviously if the paperwork isn't presented within a few days, or I get a phone call, I tend to get a bit twitchy.

Before that has happened, well before, and this is a point I so love to make at this point, the applicant or student will be typically asked in writing as well as verbally something along the lines of "is there anything we, as employers / educators / sponsors need to know?" or "kindly disclose all cautions and convictions", with some verbiage about convictions received when under 18 years old. And lying about that is far, far more worrying to me than saying "I dodged a few rail fares a few years ago" What else are you hiding?

 

[island]

Hmm... thanks for the correction. It's been a while since I had any involvement with this (which was only tangential at the time) but I thought that the subject of the check got a copy of the certificate but didn't get the details. Then again, we only did basic checks so there wouldn't have been many details in any case.

They changed the process for basic checks six or seven years ago so you may well be remembering correctly.

 

[Wolfie]

You live and learn.... I have never had any form of DBS.... I have, however, had several forms of NSV. No certificate or similar is provided there....

 

[r4miii]

So I wanted to ask what are some rules or things I should be aware of in court. For example I should wear smart clothes.

What should I refer to people in court based on their gender etc ?
Any other things I should be aware of?
Please share. Many thanjs

 

[Haywain]

So I wanted to ask what are some rules or things I should be aware of in court. For example I should wear smart clothes.

What should I refer to people in court based on their gender etc ?
Any other things I should be aware of?
Please share. Many thanjs

How you dress is up to you but you want to creat a good impression, I would expect. There will be court staff who can advise you on your conduct in the court and how to address the bench.

 

[John R]

So I wanted to ask what are some rules or things I should be aware of in court. For example I should wear smart clothes.

What should I refer to people in court based on their gender etc ?
Any other things I should be aware of?
Please share. Many thanjs

My suggestion would be to wear the smartest clothes you have, but not to go to the trouble and cost of buying something just for court. (Obviously within reason - no need to wear a dinner jacket or similar if you happen to have one).

 

[r4miii]

How you dress is up to you but you want to creat a good impression, I would expect. There will be court staff who can advise you on your conduct in the court and how to address the bench.

Thanks. What are the rules do I leave my personal belongings in a locker or something

 

[reb0118]

Thanks. What are the rules do I leave my personal belongings in a locker or something

The following may help:-

Going through security at a court or tribunal building

Restrictions on items you can take into a court or tribunal building; going through security

www.gov.uk

 

[r4miii]

The following may help:-

Going through security at a court or tribunal building

Restrictions on items you can take into a court or tribunal building; going through security

www.gov.uk

thanks, anyone got just advice i guess haha. im pretty nervous.

i know every case is different but whats the avg time i should expect for this to take

 

[Hadders]

There’s always a lot of hanging around at court. Take a book, or something else to keep you occupied while you wait.

Also, try and travel light. Don’t take more than you absolutely need as it can be a faff getting through security.

 

[Fawkes Cat]

What should I refer to people in court based on their gender etc ?

If you aren't sure, call them 'sir' and 'ma'am' (for 'madam'). Essentially, be polite but don't worry about using the exact right words - the magistrates and the staff will be used to people being nervous but will appreciate you being polite.

 

[dumbgirl]

I also do teaching assistant work so the agency i work with did it for me. My enhanced dbs is also on the update service so i can check if theres any convictions on there

How did you apply for an enhanced DBS check yourself, out of interest? These and standards normally require to be submitted by a registered organisation that certifies the prospective employer is entitled to ask about spent convictions.

 

[dumbgirl]

I'm not convinced that you did:

DBS checks: detailed guidance

A collection of guidance documents and information about DBS checks and processes.

www.gov.uk

Yea youre right. The agency i work with did it for me.

 

[dumbgirl]

I asked and they said that I can just mention in court I sent this evidence to so and so

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But isn’t this a conviction if you plead guilty

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I unfortunately have to do it through the institution

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My court hearing is in 2 days and will just drop a few questions I want to ask soon today. Thanks

Sorry. I didnt do it myself. I do teaching assistant work and my agency did it for me. My enhanced dbs is also on the update service so i can check for any new conviction. As of right now its clear despite being convicted at court a few months ago

 

[dumbgirl]

Yes, it doesn't matter if you plead guilty early, plead guilty at court or plead not-guilty and are found guilty by the magistrate, it's a conviction either way. The only difference is that by pleading early you get a reduced fine.

I strongly suspect that @dumbgirl is either operating under a misapprehension or is being mendacious. There is no legal way for someone to request an enhanced DBS check on themselves.

Sorry. When i sad i applied for the check myself - i meant that my uni didnt do it for me . I do teaching assistant work so the agency i work with applied for my dbs

 

[WesternLancer]

So I wanted to ask what are some rules or things I should be aware of in court. For example I should wear smart clothes.

What should I refer to people in court based on their gender etc ?
Any other things I should be aware of?
Please share. Many thanjs

I thought someone had posted a really good post on this thread a while ago about these exact issues and what to expect, what to wear, how to address people etc.

The thread has got too long to easily locate it. From a regular contributor iirc

Edit. See post 394 by @island which looks very helpful to me on this.

 

[island]

So I wanted to ask what are some rules or things I should be aware of in court. For example I should wear smart clothes.

What should I refer to people in court based on their gender etc ?
Any other things I should be aware of?
Please share. Many thanjs

I already answered this in great detail in post 394.

This isn’t the first time on this threat that you’ve re-asked questions that have already been answered. Please remember that there are many posts on this forum and we helping only so much time. Time that people spend repeating answers that you already have is time we can’t spend helping others.

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Thanks. What are the rules do I leave my personal belongings in a locker or something

There are no lockers. If you have items prohibited in the court but that are otherwise legal to have on the street, security will keep them for you and give you a claim ticket to take them back when you’re leaving. (Items that aren’t street legal such as knives will be confiscated and the police may be informed.)

 

[AlbertBeale]

thanks, anyone got just advice i guess haha. im pretty nervous.

i know every case is different but whats the avg time i should expect for this to take

You could always go to your nearest Magistrates' Court one day and sit in the public gallery of one of the courts and watch! That way you get a feel for it; different courts have their quirks, but they're all run basically the same way for routine cases. At least if you're in the dock, it's a bit less boring than it can sometimes be on the public benches! (If you're not into legal things, you might find some of it boring to watch, even if it is informative for you about procedures and so on.)

 

[skyhigh]

You could always go to your nearest Magistrates' Court one day and sit in the public gallery of one of the courts and watch! That way you get a feel for it

From one of the previous posts, the court date is today - so while this is good advice, it's a bit too late now.

 

[r4miii]

You could always go to your nearest Magistrates' Court one day and sit in the public gallery of one of the courts and watch! That way you get a feel for it; different courts have their quirks, but they're all run basically the same way for routine cases. At least if you're in the dock, it's a bit less boring than it can sometimes be on the public benches! (If you're not into legal things, you might find some of it boring to watch, even if it is informative for you about procedures and so on.)

I wish I did but my court hearing is today haha

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You could always go to your nearest Magistrates' Court one day and sit in the public gallery of one of the courts and watch! That way you get a feel for it; different courts have their quirks, but they're all run basically the same way for routine cases. At least if you're in the dock, it's a bit less boring than it can sometimes be on the public benches! (If you're not into legal things, you might find some of it boring to watch, even if it is informative for you about procedures and so on.)

Thanks though

I already answered this in great detail in post 394.

This isn’t the first time on this threat that you’ve re-asked questions that have already been answered. Please remember that there are many posts on this forum and we helping only so much time. Time that people spend repeating answers that you already have is time we can’t spend helping others.

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There are no lockers. If you have items prohibited in the court but that are otherwise legal to have on the street, security will keep them for you and give you a claim ticket to take them back when you’re leaving. (Items that aren’t street legal such as knives will be confiscated and the police may be informed.)

thanks

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If you aren't sure, call them 'sir' and 'ma'am' (for 'madam'). Essentially, be polite but don't worry about using the exact right words - the magistrates and the staff will be used to people being nervous but will appreciate you being polite.

Thanks

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Will reply to everyone later on today. Thanks for your help everyone. On the way to the courts now!

 

[WesternLancer]

I wish I did but my court hearing is today haha

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Thanks though

thanks

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Thanks

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Will reply to everyone later on today. Thanks for your help everyone. On the way to the courts now!

It’s been a long thread with a lot of questions but I wish you good luck and all the best for today.

 

[notmyrealname]

Good luck today, we'll be waiting to hear how you get on.

 

[WesternLancer]

I don’t know if there is any scope for it but advice on here ref court is often if you can to try and seek out the prosecutor on the day at the court and speak to them to ask if even at the last minute they would be prepared to settle the matter and not prosecute. Perhaps explain about your college/university place and see if they are sympathetic.

I’m sure it’s a long shot but I can’t see any harm in asking one last time.

I think it is usually said here that court staff would hopefully help by pointing out who the prosecutor was and how to find them in the court ahead of case being heard.

 

[r4miii]

I don’t know if there is any scope for it but advice on here ref court is often if you can to try and seek out the prosecutor on the day at the court and speak to them to ask if even at the last minute they would be prepared to settle the matter and not prosecute. Perhaps explain about your college/university place and see if they are sympathetic.

I’m sure it’s a long shot but I can’t see any harm in asking one last time.

I think it is usually said here that court staff would hopefully help by pointing out who the prosecutor was and how to find them in the court ahead of case being heard.

They aren’t around to talk at the moment. I tried to get the chance to do this but unfortunately cannot access the room they are sat in

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I don’t know if there is any scope for it but advice on here ref court is often if you can to try and seek out the prosecutor on the day at the court and speak to them to ask if even at the last minute they would be prepared to settle the matter and not prosecute. Perhaps explain about your college/university place and see if they are sympathetic.

I’m sure it’s a long shot but I can’t see any harm in asking one last time.

I think it is usually said here that court staff would hopefully help by pointing out who the prosecutor was and how to find them in the court ahead of case being heard.

What if I Try this during the hearing?

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It’s been a long thread with a lot of questions but I wish you good luck and all the best for today.

Thank you

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Good luck today, we'll be waiting to hear how you get on.

Thank you

 

[WesternLancer]

They aren’t around to talk at the moment. I tried to get the chance to do this but unfortunately cannot access the room they are sat in

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What if I Try this during the hearing?

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Thank you

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Thank you

I don’t know in practical terms how you do this. Maybe ask court staff if they can help or advise. Or ask staff if they can pass a note from you to the prosecutor where you ask if they would be prepared to speak to you.

Sorry I’ve not been in court so I don’t know for sure. Just thinking what I might try to do.

Good that you have tried I guess

 

[AlterEgo]

TfL do not settle out of court as per their policy, so while there is nothing ventured and nothing gained, it will almost certainly not be successful. It also seems clear that for some reason the court or prosecutor believes there is something complicating your case as they have decided to summons you to court, in person, to explain something. That may work out to your advantage or it may not, but I would not assume you are in a strong position here.