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Going From A to A without going through the same station twice.

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Cambridge
Norwich Thorpe
Lowestoft
Ipswich
Liverpool Street
King's Cross
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A diversion to Peterborough is also possible, as is cutting directly between Cambridge and Ipswich
 
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Best so far, I particularly like the incursion into London, although to expand it further you could do Tulse Hill an > Brighton > Ashford > Dover , and instead of getting off at Highbury and Islington you could stay on the train to Stratford, then Ipswich>Lowestoft> Norwich> Peterborough, and then divert off to the east on the way to Newcastle.

How long would it all take? Could be the basis for a trip on an All Line Rover!


I was trying to ridgidly stick to the 'no reverse' rule! :lol:
 

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Plenty of Examples that I can think of

Edinburgh Waverly
Carlisle
Newcastle
Edinburgh Waverly


Kilmarnock
Carlisle
Glasgow Central (via WCML)
Kilmarnock


Aberdeen
Dundee
Perth
Inverness
Aberdeen
 

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Basically this is what I want you to do, Start off at a Station and think of a route to get back to that station without going through the same station twice.

Includes reversing twice


Involves reversing twice

They don't involve reversing as the rules state that the routes are not allowed to go through the same station twice which AFAIK doesn't happen with my selection.
 

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They don't involve reversing as the rules state that the routes are not allowed to go through the same station twice which AFAIK doesn't happen with my selection.

So you wouldn't have to reverse at
Carlisle
Glasgow Central
Perth
Inverness
 

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Having read further up the page i've realised that i'm the one who is wrong, I apologise for this. It's possibly someting to do with me studying for prelims all weekend which has fried my brain ;)
 

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How about -

Dover Priory - Ramsgate - Gillingham - Lewisham - New Cross - Shadwell - Stratford (via DLR) - Ipswich - Lowestoft - Norwich - Peterborough - Lincoln - Nottingham - Sheffield - Doncaster - Leeds - Hull - Scarborough - York - Edinburgh - Aberdeen - Inverness - Perth - Glasgow Queen Street - Partick - Glasgow Central - Carlisle (via Dumfries) - Barrow in Furness - Preston - Manchester Victoria - Manchester Picadilly (via Metrolink) - Stoke on Trent - Tamworth - Birmingham New Street - Wolverhampton - Stafford - Crewe - Liverpool Lime Street - Bidston - Shotton - Wrexham General - Shewsbury - Swansea - Cardiff Central - Hereford - Oxford - Didcot Parkway - Swindon - Bristol Parkway - Bristol Temple Meeds - Exeter St Davids - Salisbury - Southampton Central - Reading - Clapham Junction - Guildford (via Woking) - Gatwick Airport (via redhil) - Horsham - Sutton - St Pancras - Leicester - Nuneaton - Coventry - Banbury - London Marylebone - Charing Cross (via Bakerloo Line) - London Bridge - Crystal Palace (via Peckham) - Beckenham Junction - Orpington - Tonbridge - Hastings - Ashford International - Dover Priory

I know there are a couple that seem like reversing but they go down different lines if that means anything? (e.g Ashford or york) or have i done it completely wrong?

I'd go Manchester Victoria - Stockport via Denton - Stoke on Trent :)

Liverpool Lime Street requires a reversal, the driver has to change ends, as is Clapham Junction.
 
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How about -

Dover Priory - Ramsgate - Gillingham - Lewisham - New Cross - Shadwell - Stratford (via DLR)
No connections to DLR I am pretty sure.
- Ipswich - Lowestoft - Norwich -
Not if you call at Norwich, no. Wensum curve avoids Norwich station.
Peterborough - Lincoln - Nottingham - Sheffield - Doncaster - Leeds - Hull - Scarborough
If you don't reverse at Scarborough, you'll be in the sea! And you're double-backing through Seamer!
Also requires a reversal
Edinburgh - Aberdeen - Inverness -
Requires a reversal.
Perth - Glasgow Queen Street
Low level presumably.
- Partick -
Reverse at Partick?
Glasgow Central - Carlisle (via Dumfries) -
It is possible to get from Partick to Carlisle, via Glasgow Ctl Low level and via Dumfries, using some pretty rare curves, via Rutherglen North -> West Jn and the Glasgow Central avoider.
Barrow in Furness - Preston - Manchester Victoria - Manchester Picadilly (via Metrolink) -
There's certainly no connection at Picadilly, but you could get from Preston to Stoke via various ways without reversing, but this isn't one of them.
Stoke on Trent - Tamworth - Birmingham New Street
No connection at Tamworth.
- Wolverhampton - Stafford - Crewe - Liverpool Lime Street - Bidston -
No, there's no connection to allow this. Firstly, you'd have to mean Liverpool Central, and you could do that (avoiding Lime St; the high level is a dead end and the low level would involve doubling back/reversing) if approaching via Hunts Cross, but there is no connection to this line from Crewe.
Shotton - Wrexham General - Shewsbury - Swansea - Cardiff Central - Hereford - Oxford - Didcot Parkway - Swindon - Bristol Parkway - Bristol Temple Meeds - Exeter St Davids - Salisbury - Southampton Central - Reading - Clapham Junction - Guildford (via Woking) - Gatwick Airport (via redhil) - Horsham - Sutton - St Pancras - Leicester - Nuneaton - Coventry - Banbury - London Marylebone - Charing Cross (via Bakerloo Line) - London Bridge - Crystal Palace (via Peckham) - Beckenham Junction - Orpington - Tonbridge - Hastings - Ashford International - Dover Priory
There are problems here too, without analysing it I can spot some basic errors, for a start Swansea is a dead end, and as for Didcot, if you went via Didcot that requires a reversal. In both cases there are avoiders. Oh, and as for Leicester, you also need to reverse, again there is an avoider. Marylebone is a dead-end, and while you could get to the Bakerloo at Queens Park, but there is no connection with NR metals at the south end of the line.
I know there are a couple that seem like reversing but they go down different lines if that means anything? (e.g Ashford or york) or have i done it completely wrong?
I think there must be some confusion!
 

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my mistake I didn't realise it was meant to be a "driver" route rather than passenger route, now I feel fairly stupid now :oops: I won't post in here again (I've removed the post)
 

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my mistake I didn't realise it was meant to be a "driver" route rather than passenger route, now I feel fairly stupid now :oops: I won't post in here again (I've removed the post)
No, don't let me put you off! No need to feel stupid!

And a lot of your route would work if you used avoiders/rarely used lines at places like Norwich, Manchester etc. and substitute places like Tamworth for Rugeley.

And you can get through Liverpool if you can approach from Warrington Central (not from Crewe), via Hunts Cross, Liverpool Central, Birkenhead Hamilton Square, etc... and you can cross London via the WLL using various curves.

That reminds me, I really need to do another Buffer Puffer railtour! The McBuffer Puffer was the best! (although bashers winding up Millwall & Charlton fans after hefty defeats was pretty fun too!)
 

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Looking at the map this time - I hope that this one is better? No reversals but this time going off an operator map! - I've probably done it wrong again though :(

Manchester Picadilly - Crewe - Stafford - Coventry (via Nuneaton) - Rugby - (via WCML and HS1 Connecting Line Avoiding St Pancras!) Dover Priory - Ramsgate - Strood (via Chatham) - Dartford - London Bridge - St Pancras Low Level - Sheffield - Leeds (via Wakefield Westgate) - York - Sunderland - Newcastle - Edinburgh Waverly - Falkirk Grahamstone - Bishopbriggs - Partick* - Glasgow Central (lower level) - Newton - Motherwell - Carlisle - Barrow in Furness - Preston - Warrington Bank Quay - Chester - Wrexham - Shrewsbury - Wolverhamton - Tame Bridge Parkway - Birmingham New Street (via Duddeston) - Worcester Shrub Hill - Oxford - Swindon (via Didcot Avoider Line!) - Bristol parkway - Bristol Temple Meads - Western Super Mare - Exeter Central - Salisbury - Southampton Central - Havant - Horsham - Sutton - Clapham Junction - Willesdon Junction - Stratford - Ipswich - Peterborough - Doncaster - Wakefield Kirkgate - Blackburn (avoiding Bradford!) - Bolton - Salford Cresent - Manchester Piccadilly

*using this map, shows a connection between bishopbriggs and partick!, and I believe that there is a loop at Newcastle so not reversing there? and I'm assuming that there is a connection between the new LO platforms and the mainline at stratford!

Lines cross but don't use the same station twice nor the same line twice (if I read the map correctly!)

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/passenger_services/maps/nationalrailnetworkmapZoom.pdf

edit - I've just noticed about Willesdon Junction, although its not actually on the west coast main line itself (well at least the fast / semi fast lines - Virgin / London Midland) so would that still count?
 
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Manchester Picadilly - Crewe - Stafford - Coventry (via Nuneaton) - Rugby - (via WCML and HS1 Connecting Line Avoiding St Pancras!) Dover Priory - Ramsgate - Strood (via Chatham) - Dartford - London Bridge - St Pancras Low Level - Sheffield - Leeds (via Wakefield Westgate) - York - Sunderland - Newcastle - Edinburgh Waverly - Falkirk Grahamstone -
Seems fine to me!
Bishopbriggs - Partick* - Glasgow Central (lower level) - Newton - Motherwell - Carlisle
Ah, I reckon you are thinking Maryhill-Anniesland. Problem is Anniesland diesel platform is a dead-end and according to my Quail map there is no connection, before the station. (yes the line from Maryhill does join up northwest of Anniesland but of course that requires a reversal to get to Glasgow). However you can get to Motherwell not via Newton but via Springburn & Coatbridge. (it would be more straightforward, though less mileage, if you went via Cumbernauld), however for maximum mileage you could go via Springurn, Alexandra Parade, Paisley Gilmour St, Newton-on-Ayr, Mauchline, Dumfries. This includes some lines that will not appear on a passenger map (but I've done on 37s and 40145 on railtours in 2006/07).
- Barrow in Furness - Preston - Warrington Bank Quay - Chester - Wrexham - Shrewsbury - Wolverhamton - Tame Bridge Parkway - Birmingham New Street (via Duddeston) - Worcester Shrub Hill - Oxford - Swindon (via Didcot Avoider Line!) - Bristol parkway - Bristol Temple Meads - Western Super Mare - Exeter Central - Salisbury - Southampton Central - Havant - Horsham - Sutton - Clapham Junction - Willesdon Junction - Stratford - Ipswich - Peterborough - Doncaster - Wakefield Kirkgate - Blackburn (avoiding Bradford!) - Bolton - Salford Cresent - Manchester Piccadilly
Seems OK!
*using this map, shows a connection between bishopbriggs and partick!,
there are a few ways to do Bishopbriggs-Partick but none that would leave you facing the right way without reversing.
and I believe that there is a loop at Newcastle so not reversing there?
Yes that's fine
and I'm assuming that there is a connection between the new LO platforms and the mainline at stratford!
Approaching Stratford from Hackney Wick, you can get to Tottenham Hale, South Tottenham, about 6 platforms at Stratford (the high numbered ones), Liverpool St and Limehouse (and beyond, where applicable).
Lines cross but don't use the same station twice nor the same line twice (if I read the map correctly!)

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/passenger_services/maps/nationalrailnetworkmapZoom.pdf
Ah, that map suggests that trains from Maryhill direction approaching Anniesland can just continue in a loop. This is not the case. I know, as I've changed trains there! But you can see it here.
edit - I've just noticed about Willesdon Junction, although its not actually on the west coast main line itself (well at least the fast / semi fast lines - Virgin / London Midland) so would that still count?
The junction is, the platforms are on the DC lines. So it's a good question; have you passed through it twice? It could be argued that the WCML does not pass through the station so I am inclined to say no. It perhaps does depend on the definition of passing through a station. The York avoider goes pretty close to York station but is not considered passing through it. But places like Doncaster and Crewe, have fast lines, but you are certainly passing through the stations. So I think that it's OK and within the rules.

For maximum mileage (and probably maximum stations) the route would need to start at Inverness, IMO. As starting anywhere else would forbid you from venturing as far north as Kirkcaldy/Stirling or beyond. The optimum route would depend on whether the object was mileage or stations passed through.
 

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For maximum mileage (and probably maximum stations) the route would need to start at Inverness, IMO. As starting anywhere else would forbid you from venturing as far north as Kirkcaldy/Stirling or beyond. The optimum route would depend on whether the object was mileage or stations passed through.

If it was distance then surely a contender would be Inverness - King's Cross via Aberdeen, then either Thameslink ( it's an interchange - does that count despite the walking distance? ) to access the Kent coast clockwise via Rochester or walk to St Pancras High Speed ( again if the walk doesn't disqualify it as it is an interchange ) and get a 395 to Faversham.

Either way, you are now clockwise on the Kent Coast which means you can go round via Thanet and head up to Charing Cross via Ramsgate, Dover, Ashford. Again if the interchange walk does not disqualify it, get off at Waterloo East and head over to Main then go to Reading, Oxford, Birmingham, Glasgow, Inverness...??


Note, however, that the OP does not actually ban a reversal - it only says you can't go through any station more than once; this appears to permit a reversal provided you depart on a different route that does not share tracks? Nor does it exclude a walking connection. It simply asks about huge circular trips and does not say you have to theoretically be able to do it on a single train... The OP walks between the two St Albans stations and uses the tube;)
 
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Note, however, that the OP does not actually ban a reversal - it only says you can't go through any station more than once; this appears to permit a reversal provided you depart on a different route that does not share tracks? Nor does it exclude a walking connection. It simply asks about huge circular trips and does not say you have to theoretically be able to do it on a single train... The OP walks between the two St Albans stations and uses the tube;)
The problem with these sort of threads is that they re-appear every so often with slightly different rules, which are often very loosely defined, and the 'rules' sometimes seem to change within the topic. Looking back through this topic it did in fact start as allowing walking connections (apologies to atomicdanny!) and then it seemed to change on page 2, to be continuous routes that a train could take to avoid reversing without passing through the same station twice.

The 'two stations together with no services between them', later replaced by 'consecutive stations with no direct service' is a classic example of this.
 

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So... is my entry valid, then, and does it win?:)

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Just thought of an improvement to my route!

Delete: Waterloo - Reading - Oxford - Birmingham.

Subsitute: Waterloo - Exeter - Bristol - Birmingham. :)
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Thought of an ever longer routing now...!!

Delete: waterloo - Exeter.

Subsitute: Waterloo - Clapham Junction - Southampton via Preston Park and Hove - Salisbury - Exeter.

You can also add more miles with a couple of other diversions while keeping in the same direction...



So to be clear after all this editing, and with the extra diversions:

Inverness - Aberdeen - King's Cross - walk to St Pancras - Faversham - Margate - Ramsgate - Dover - Waterloo East - walk to Waterloo - Clapham Junction - Southampton via Preston Park and Hove - Salisbury - Exeter St David's - Bristol Temple Meads - Birmingham New Street - Shrewsbury - Chester - Helsby - Warrington BQ - Lancaster - Carlisle via Barrow - Glasgow Central via Dumfries - walk to Glasgow Queen Street - Inverness.
 
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from southampton could you not go down to Weymouth, then up to Westbury. From there back to Reading then Basingstoke and get through to Salisbury that way?
 

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You would reverse at Weymouth and go through Upwey twice
 

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Are reversals banned or not?

*is getting confused*

If not then simple - change direction at Upwey instead (which I admit I forgot existed)
If they are that whole diversion fails...
 

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But if you reverse when not in the station yet then you wont even be hitting the station once.
 
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